asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
6 x KQ-200 ASW
4 x KJ-500 AWACS
not a bad mix
4 x KJ-500 AWACS
not a bad mix
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Hendrik_2000
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Excellent report by professor Toshi Yoshihara comparing Chinese to Japanese navy. He concede that now China is way ahead over Japan and the gap will only continue. I follow his writing over the years and he used to be smug over Japanese superiority. Make a good reading here is the link
Introduction An extraordinary reversal of fortunes in Asia has gone largely unnoticed. Over the past decade, the Chinese navy overtook Japan’s maritime service in critical measures of power, including fleet size, aggregate tonnage, and firepower. Strikingly, China has embarked on a naval modernization plan of such ambition that, in the years ahead, its margin of superiority over Japan will widen at an accelerated pace. As China’s massive buildup that began in the 1990s gathers steam, Japanese seapower appears headed for an irreparable erosion in competitiveness.
Indeed, if China’s naval construction spree maintains its breakneck speed, the Chinese navy will likely leave behind permanently its Japanese rival within this decade. Yet, this power transition remains virtually unexamined. Whereas recent commentaries excitedly debated the significance of China’s emergence as the largest navy in the world, with it eclipsing the U.S. Navy in size, near silence surrounded the crossover points in the SinoJapanese naval balance.1
This indifference is puzzling considering its strategic significance. China and Japan are Asia’s two economic powerhouses and they sit atop the regional pecking order. Their strategic heft ensures that their interactions at sea, for better or for worse, will be felt across the Indo-Pacific and beyond. As these two hyper competitive seafaring neighbors undergo rapid changes in relative power, regional disequilibrium and its attendant risks will invariably follow. There is strong evidence that the naval power shift has already emboldened Beijing while stoking fears among Japanese leaders. Owing to mutual suspicions that run deep, both sides have succumbed to competitive impulses, lending momentum to a maritime rivalry that has been taking shape for at least a decade. Japan’s swift displacement as a seapower could also introduce doubts among local powers, including
Introduction An extraordinary reversal of fortunes in Asia has gone largely unnoticed. Over the past decade, the Chinese navy overtook Japan’s maritime service in critical measures of power, including fleet size, aggregate tonnage, and firepower. Strikingly, China has embarked on a naval modernization plan of such ambition that, in the years ahead, its margin of superiority over Japan will widen at an accelerated pace. As China’s massive buildup that began in the 1990s gathers steam, Japanese seapower appears headed for an irreparable erosion in competitiveness.
Indeed, if China’s naval construction spree maintains its breakneck speed, the Chinese navy will likely leave behind permanently its Japanese rival within this decade. Yet, this power transition remains virtually unexamined. Whereas recent commentaries excitedly debated the significance of China’s emergence as the largest navy in the world, with it eclipsing the U.S. Navy in size, near silence surrounded the crossover points in the SinoJapanese naval balance.1
This indifference is puzzling considering its strategic significance. China and Japan are Asia’s two economic powerhouses and they sit atop the regional pecking order. Their strategic heft ensures that their interactions at sea, for better or for worse, will be felt across the Indo-Pacific and beyond. As these two hyper competitive seafaring neighbors undergo rapid changes in relative power, regional disequilibrium and its attendant risks will invariably follow. There is strong evidence that the naval power shift has already emboldened Beijing while stoking fears among Japanese leaders. Owing to mutual suspicions that run deep, both sides have succumbed to competitive impulses, lending momentum to a maritime rivalry that has been taking shape for at least a decade. Japan’s swift displacement as a seapower could also introduce doubts among local powers, including
Excellent read. The report drives home the astounding leap PLAN has made both qualitatively and quantitatively over the past two decades. Dr. Toshi Yoshihara is a professor at the U.S. Naval War College and has been a leading scholar on PLAN modernization.
I consider his work, along with the work of his colleague Dr. Andrew S. Erickson, to be of particular reading value as they base much of their research on original Chinese think-tank writing and public policy. Both of them being able to read original Chinese sources, unlike many of the "China Experts" in the West.
I would be hesitant to characterize his work over the years as a manifestation of "Japanese superiority complex". He has predicted the rise of PLAN in Asia-Pacific as early as 2010 with his book "Red Star Over the Pacific". This new report simply confirms the on-going trend of the past decade. I recommend those with a eye on this historical development to watch Dr. Toshi Yoshihara's Keynote Lecture:
at the U.S. Naval War College back in Feb 2013. He clearly laid out the Chinese perspective and it's historical case for pursuing Sea power. As impressive as the PLAN modernization has already been back in 2013, the sheer increase of Chinese naval tonnage since then has blown all forecasts out of the water.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Toshi Yoshihara is no friend of China He is strong proponent of US-Japan alliance and I read his article over the years and yes He foresee the growth of Chinese navy But no he is typical of arrogant Japanese intellectual that clinging to the stereotype that Japan navy is superior You can even feel this in this article
Arthur Erickson is another Chinese basher. He is worst he used to denigrate Chinese achievement specially in Jet engine saying China will be incapable of producing a working jet engine. But lately he stopped doing it for the obvious reason.He whipping up the hysteria of Chinese maritime militia. You can read his thought here
Toshi read Chinese source information and that make them better than run of mill so called analyst
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asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Professor Toshi Yoshihara sounds like a total fanboy
Does he even know what AEGIS system is? JMSDF has 8 x AEGIS DDG, 2 x Maya Class, 2 x Atago Class and 4 x Kongo Class heavy destroyers, China on the other hand has 1 x Type 055 Commissioned
The average warship tonnage of JMSDF is much higher extremely professional and extremely disciplined, JMSDF is what you call a top tier navy
He is completely dismissing the JMSDF which shows he has zero naval knowledge and plays into hands of like minded fan boys
Does he even know what AEGIS system is? JMSDF has 8 x AEGIS DDG, 2 x Maya Class, 2 x Atago Class and 4 x Kongo Class heavy destroyers, China on the other hand has 1 x Type 055 Commissioned
The average warship tonnage of JMSDF is much higher extremely professional and extremely disciplined, JMSDF is what you call a top tier navy
He is completely dismissing the JMSDF which shows he has zero naval knowledge and plays into hands of like minded fan boys
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
defiantly No, JMSDF has a truly integrated battle management system and anything flying over the Sea of Japan and or Eastern Pacific in the form a ballistic missile wold be engagement by JMSF BMD system
when it comes to launch, track and engagement of air borne missiles JMSDF can perform these missions from the sea and conducted successful BMD missions many times, its has SM-6, SM-3 and SM-2
Yes in the sense that they operate these massive AESA arrays like those eight Japanese ships. The Japanese ones vary in size and equipment sophistication but those eight do compare very favourably against an 052C while probably around the same level as an 052D. Two of those Japanese vessels hold more VLS though and I'd imagine all of them hold superior air defence missiles compared to the PLAN 052C and 052D. When it comes to ASW I've no idea but ASh goes to PLAN vessels with YJ-12 and YJ-18 missiles. Land attack goes to PLAN as well with various cruise missiles deployable. Japan is in the works of developing a new supersonic AShM though. Being a self defence force they don't pay much attention to LACM.
055 is a different beast and more comparable to Sejeong Class from RoK. Maybe Tam has better insight on the above points. 052C/D number in the 30s now and the PLAN's overall fleet is enormous and while the JMSDF is brilliantly equipped like most western European/NATO militaries when it comes to technology, they don't quite have the numbers.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
He definitely know more than you. He is professor at Steven college and formerly of US naval warfare
He spend lifetime observing and researching PLAN.Here is excerpt from the article
The Pentagon’s 2019 annual report on Chinese military power states plainly that, “The PLAN is the region’s largest navy, with more than 300 surface combatants, submarines, amphibious ships, patrol craft, and specialized types.”12 According to the Office of Naval Intelligence, the PLAN in 2015 boasted a fleet of 26 destroyers, 52 frigates, 20 corvettes, 85 fast-attack missile craft, 57 diesel-electric submarines, and 5 nuclear attack submarines.13 By one estimate, the Chinese navy’s surface fleet is projected to leap from 331 combatants in 2015 to 432 in 2030, while its submarines would jump from 66 boats to 99 during the same period.14 Another study predicts that, by 2030, the PLAN’s newest and most modern warships could grow to 16 to 20 cruisers, 36 to 40 destroyers, 40 to 50 frigates, at least 10 amphibious assault ships, and at least four aircraft carriers.15 It further speculates that about 60 diesel-electric boats, at least 16 nuclear-attack submarines, and at least eight ballistic missile submarines could be in service for the undersea force a decade hence. By comparison, the JMSDF’s naval strength in 2019 included 4 light helicopter carriers, 2 cruisers, 34 destroyers, 11 frigates, 3 amphibious assault ships, 6 fast-attack missile boats, and 21 conventional submarines.16 Based on the current trajectory, Japan’s surface and undersea fleets will not be substantially larger in 2030.
Now comparison o VLS
