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Mohsin77

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Don't dismiss a point as being my assumption just because you don't have anything else to say

I don't have anything else to say because I'm not taking you seriously.

That might change in the future, and in that case, we may meet again.

For now, your superficial assumptions do not warrant engagement.

I don't wish to continue this argument.

Neither do I. That's what I've been trying to tell you (politely).
 
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Leningradpro

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This war that's been waged for a while is not an ideological war.
Can't agree with this at all. There is a reason the west is coalescing against china even at the expense of it's populace suffering.

Yes, they did make blunders, because they got complacent after the fall of the Soviet Union. And they didn't expect the PRC to catch them with their pants down do quickly.

There is a reason why Xi insists on "socialism with Chinese characteristics" so often.

The ideological aspect to this war is not much more than the vehicle used to further their hold onto their soft power.
I wouldn't separate the ideology from the mechanism through which this war is being fought even once. This time around, the west (the anglosphere primarily) didn't anticipate such a serious competition on the economic front. Look at the statements from the NATO, from the western leaders. They use words like autocratic, lack of freedom, and what not. But basically, all of their attacks are on the Chinese model of governance. Looks at the late phase of the cold war. Why were there so many socialist countries in the world? Why was India "partly" socialist? Why were there such strong socialist movements all across western Europe? And why did socialism across the world die out in the 90s? That's what the west fears the most. A solid economic powerhouse leading the global socialist movement, will definitely inspire socialist movements across their turfs as well. And we are already seeing the resurgence of early stage socialist movements in the west again. This is not a mere coincidence. I am not talking about the woke culture in the west. That was a late stage capitalist invention as a means to counter socialist movements. And that woke culture is failing miserably everywhere. What is taking it's place? Right wing madness AND actual socialist movements. All right wings politics are failing to produce any reasonable results. India, failing. Britain, failing, US, going into a spiral. Over the next few decades as more and more right wing policies fail to produce any results, the populace will naturally start tilting to socialism. And this is why, looking at this war in the light that you or the gentleman before you mentioned, is incredibly short sighted in my opinion. And I reiterate, the CPC has time and again insisted on the ideological aspect of China for the very same reason.

Multipolarity as being mentioned these days is mere hogwash. The west will never accept multipolarity. Capitalism won't accept an alternate reality where a better form of governance exists. It'll either try to crush the other pole, or wither away trying. can you even imagine how the western political hegemony would exist without a complete dominance on the world markets? The western way of life or the western way of governance will not survive in that world! Multipolarity can only exist when the west is completely reformed. And that will involve a complete ideological transformation of the west. Hence the ideological battle can never be dissociated from what is happening today.

proper multipolarity without ability for resistance
On the ideological front, this would be called counter revolution. And that ability of the west would only be done away with, if there is an ideological transformation of the west.
 

Leningradpro

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I don't have anything else to say because I'm not taking you seriously.
Lol. I give a rats ass as to whether you take me seriously or not. So when you have nothing to say, don't say anything. Otherwise it's just random rumblings without any meaning. It doesn't help anyone.

And you were definitely not being polite the moment you realized I was Indian. I tried to engage with you very politely. I have no ill feelings towards you or towards Pakistan (mentioning this because you thought it was wise to mention country/civilization ). I might not be very active on this forum in terms of posting, so I guess I can be mistaken for a regular bhakt trying to create a ruckus here. So if me merely being an Indian is triggering for you, then I really can't help it. I am not engaging with you further on this. If you want to come back with a cocky reply to this message, please go ahead.
 

Mohsin77

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Can't agree with this at all. There is a reason the west is coalescing against china even at the expense of it's populace suffering.

Yes, they did make blunders, because they got complacent after the fall of the Soviet Union. And they didn't expect the PRC to catch them with their pants down do quickly.

There is a reason why Xi insists on "socialism with Chinese characteristics" so often.


I wouldn't separate the ideology from the mechanism through which this war is being fought even once. This time around, the west (the anglosphere primarily) didn't anticipate such a serious competition on the economic front. Look at the statements from the NATO, from the western leaders. They use words like autocratic, lack of freedom, and what not. But basically, all of their attacks are on the Chinese model of governance. Looks at the late phase of the cold war. Why were there so many socialist countries in the world? Why was India "partly" socialist? Why were there such strong socialist movements all across western Europe? And why did socialism across the world die out in the 90s? That's what the west fears the most. A solid economic powerhouse leading the global socialist movement, will definitely inspire socialist movements across their turfs as well. And we are already seeing the resurgence of early stage socialist movements in the west again. This is not a mere coincidence. I am not talking about the woke culture in the west. That was a late stage capitalist invention as a means to counter socialist movements. And that woke culture is failing miserably everywhere. What is taking it's place? Right wing madness AND actual socialist movements. All right wings politics are failing to produce any reasonable results. India, failing. Britain, failing, US, going into a spiral. Over the next few decades as more and more right wing policies fail to produce any results, the populace will naturally start tilting to socialism. And this is why, looking at this war in the light that you or the gentleman before you mentioned, is incredibly short sighted in my opinion. And I reiterate, the CPC has time and again insisted on the ideological aspect of China for the very same reason.

Multipolarity as being mentioned these days is mere hogwash. The west will never accept multipolarity. Capitalism won't accept an alternate reality where a better form of governance exists. It'll either try to crush the other pole, or wither away trying. can you even imagine how the western political hegemony would exist without a complete dominance on the world markets? The western way of life or the western way of governance will not survive in that world! Multipolarity can only exist when the west is completely reformed. And that will involve a complete ideological transformation of the west. Hence the ideological battle can never be dissociated from what is happening today.


On the ideological front, this would be called counter revolution. And that ability of the west would only be done away with, if there is an ideological transformation of the west.


Dude this is the "Pakistan Military News" Thread. If you can't even comprehend the title of a thread, you shouldn't be lecturing Chinese people on their own ideology, let alone in the wrong thread.


And you were definitely not being polite the moment you realized I was Indian.

Incorrect, again. I was polite to you all the way until you started imposing facile assumptions on others. And that has nothing to do with you being an Indian.
 

ougoah

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Can't agree with this at all. There is a reason the west is coalescing against china even at the expense of it's populace suffering.

Yes, they did make blunders, because they got complacent after the fall of the Soviet Union. And they didn't expect the PRC to catch them with their pants down do quickly.

There is a reason why Xi insists on "socialism with Chinese characteristics" so often.


I wouldn't separate the ideology from the mechanism through which this war is being fought even once. This time around, the west (the anglosphere primarily) didn't anticipate such a serious competition on the economic front. Look at the statements from the NATO, from the western leaders. They use words like autocratic, lack of freedom, and what not. But basically, all of their attacks are on the Chinese model of governance. Looks at the late phase of the cold war. Why were there so many socialist countries in the world? Why was India "partly" socialist? Why were there such strong socialist movements all across western Europe? And why did socialism across the world die out in the 90s? That's what the west fears the most. A solid economic powerhouse leading the global socialist movement, will definitely inspire socialist movements across their turfs as well. And we are already seeing the resurgence of early stage socialist movements in the west again. This is not a mere coincidence. I am not talking about the woke culture in the west. That was a late stage capitalist invention as a means to counter socialist movements. And that woke culture is failing miserably everywhere. What is taking it's place? Right wing madness AND actual socialist movements. All right wings politics are failing to produce any reasonable results. India, failing. Britain, failing, US, going into a spiral. Over the next few decades as more and more right wing policies fail to produce any results, the populace will naturally start tilting to socialism. And this is why, looking at this war in the light that you or the gentleman before you mentioned, is incredibly short sighted in my opinion. And I reiterate, the CPC has time and again insisted on the ideological aspect of China for the very same reason.

Multipolarity as being mentioned these days is mere hogwash. The west will never accept multipolarity. Capitalism won't accept an alternate reality where a better form of governance exists. It'll either try to crush the other pole, or wither away trying. can you even imagine how the western political hegemony would exist without a complete dominance on the world markets? The western way of life or the western way of governance will not survive in that world! Multipolarity can only exist when the west is completely reformed. And that will involve a complete ideological transformation of the west. Hence the ideological battle can never be dissociated from what is happening today.


On the ideological front, this would be called counter revolution. And that ability of the west would only be done away with, if there is an ideological transformation of the west.

I see we don't actually disagree.but were coming from two different directions.

On the point of ideology being used to achieve objectives rather than objective itself (my point) I fundamentally disagree with your position. Let's just simplify what I mean by saying that if socialism achieves their goals, they'd be hyping it up and talking about how great it is jist like they do with the buzzwords in the 60s to late 20th and what we've got now with PC culture etc. They don't care. It's not about ideology to them. They simply still want to be hegemonic abroad and then classist within until you reach the top and it's socialism for those at the top.
 

aahyan

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Courtesy ghazi52 @ PDF...


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has secured two more airframes of the Embraer Lineage 1000 aircraft for the Sea Sultan program. The airframes are A6-HHS (built 2010) and the other is unknown. The aircraft were owned by Falcon Aviation Services, Abu Dhabi. The aircraft were flown after purchase to Johannesburg, South Africa and then from there to Wonderboom Airport in Pretoria, where the modification work is being done by Paramount Group of South Africa using subsystems from Leonardo of Italy at a cost of $100 million per aircraft.

After wide-ranging and extensive modifications, the Lineage 1000s will become the Pakistan Navy ‘Sea Sultan’ jet-powered LR-MPA, designed specifically for high endurance and long range missions focusing on Anti-Submarine (ASW), Anti Surface Warfare (ASuW) as well as Intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance (ISTAR), ELINT/SIGINT, ESM, command and control, maritime patrol and Airborne Early Warning (AEW). The system will feature a state-of-the-art sensor suite to enhance situational awareness.
It is likely the aircraft will feature an AESA surface search radar, an internal bomb bay carry torpedos, sonobuoys, depth charges, anti-surface cruise missiles, and an advanced defensive suite.
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aahyan

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Jinnah class frigate enters detailed design:

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Albatros NG is a new generation Naval Based Air Defence (NBAD) system, based on the CAMM-ER, which is the extended range variant of the Common Anti-air Modular Missile (CAMM) family already delivered to customers around the world for both ground based and naval air defence.

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aahyan

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Seems Jinnah class would be based on an expanded I-class frigate (3.5k tons - 4k tons) with a Sylver A50 launcher in mind, while the conventional I-class weighs about 3000t.

Jinnah class would have a VLS designed for Sylver A50 with 24-32 cells. These would enable quad packing of the CAMM-ER, allowing the deployment of 64–128 medium-range SAMs (CAMM-ER is 45 km+, but given that CAMM has been successfully tested out to 60 km, would predict CAMM-ER range to be 85–120 km).

PN will probably choose to replace 16 ATMACA with 16 C-302 or Harba (or possibly even 8/8 to allow hypersonic AShM with standoff ranging AShM/LACM). There is also a proposal to employ perhaps a combination of systems that allows for 16 A50 cells and 16 cells of a Chinese VLS for 16 HQ-9.
 

aahyan

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The No. 28 Squadron is based at PNS Mehran in KHI. Recently, Embraer E190 aircraft were introduced into the Pakistan Navy to replace Lockheed Martin P3C Orion aircraft.

The list of the three Embraer E190s that PN purchased out of the suggested ten is below:

▪️ Embraer E190-1000 Lineage [ex- B-3203]
▪️ Embraer E190-1000 Lineage [A6-HHS]
▪️ Embraer E190-1000 Lineage [M-AKKU]

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