The amount of doping that a country partakes in seems to be inversely proportional to its Olympic success haha
Olympics 2024 - discussion thread
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China women’s basketball team just lost by over 20 points to Serbia. This time the loss is much more comprehensive than the 1 point overtime loss to Spain which they should have won. 2 losses now. Not looking good
The older events still have alot of value. They should still be prioritised imo. Without them china may not even be in top 5 of medal chart. Newer events are much much harder to break into. Not just infrastructure wise but also tradition, competition, coaching, talent pool extra. In addition to new events, for my own selfish reasons, I like China to put more funding on team events. They tend to bring out more patriotic energy than individua events. So far only the women’s volleyball team has the ability to make waves in the international scene.
Woah. Just reading that, this sports seems like a very dangerous event to partake in. Hope everyone is okay after that.
even after all that doping, india still performed as poorly as it did?
I'm putting this down to inbreeding and a lack of real evolutionary pressure other than lying and scraping and kissing up to power.
You are thinking of the men’s team bro. Aside from the high point of Beijing Olympics, women’s team for China and Japanese are far weaker. They have always been outperformed by their men’s team.
as someone mentioned, women gymnastics is now dominated by power gymnasts rather than artistry and finesse. US and western nations excel in power. Russians in artistry, China in finesse and elegance. Then you have a freak alien like Biles who dominates everyone.
China have to drastically improve their vaulting amd floor to stand a chance. Right now the gap is too big. So much so that even their strong marks in beam and bars cannot close the gap. To make things worse, the beam and bars apparatus events are very high risk, small margin of error. A small wobble, an inch off can lead to a fall and that’s a medal chance gone.
Quite a few big events in the next few hours. Hope China can get at least one gold in swimming.
Lethe
Captain
Great chart. These numbers appear to come from 2024 report on 2022 data, specifically the number of Adverse Analytical Findings (AAFs) recorded by National Anti-Doping Organisations (NADO) accredited by WADA (Table 8: Total Samples by TA Category). Regarding AAFs, the report notes:
So what we really want is the ADRV (Anti-Doping Rule Violation) report for the same timeframe, which would exclude TUEs and include non-analytical adverse findings such as athletes evading test protocols or being found in possession of prohibited substances. Unfortunately that corresponding ADRV report has not yet been published. There is, however, an ADRV report published in 2023 based on 2020 data. The worst offenders in that report are Russia (135 ADRVs), India (59) and USA (57). China had 25 and Japan...1. Half of the Russian ADRVs were based on non-analytical findings, which illustrates one of the limitations of the AAF data used in the chart.
Back to the 2024 AAF report. One thing that leaps out is how few tests are attributed to USADA. The UK, Italy, France and German NADOs all record more tests administered than USA despite being much smaller nations, as do Russia and China. Of the nations that conduct thousands of tests each year, India is indeed a clear outlier with 3.2% AAFs. One has to give a special shout out to Syria, however: achieving an extraordinary 50% AAF rate based off two tests.
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It's shocking that India does so poor despite the high doping rate. I always assumed they perform abysmally because they have no dedicated training programs. Turns out they're drugging their athletes up to the gills at rates higher than US and Russia.
1.5 billion people, man. What are most of them even doing.
proelite
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Doping is a science and skill on to itself.
Reminds me of the news going around few years ago that exposed more than 60% of Liverpool fc players were asthmatic medications. By that time people were already wondering why their players seem to be able to run run and run non stop for so many matches.
This just shows how dominant Zhang Yining was back in her day - had same thing happen to her back then.