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Please everybody, back on topic and the topic is not Western Democracy vs Eastern Authoritarianism.
The topic is Hong Kong Occupy movement period.
Any more offtopic and the thread will be locked again
unfair_reality that was an unfortunate first post, please avoid making similar again.
I suggest reading the rules before further posting
 
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Police and bailiffs clear some protest areas in Mong Kok to serve an injunction and re-open roads blocked by protesters.

About time the authorities make some arrests, it's funny to see protesters claim "bloodshed" and the newspaper trying to play it up as "firing" when police use pepper spray.

All sides and the whole situation in Hong Kong has been quite tame when seeing what happened in Ferguson, MO last night and today.

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At least 80 protesters detained after clashes erupt when police officers join bailiffs in first round of court-ordered operations in Mong Kok
PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 25 November, 2014, 3:14pm
UPDATED : Wednesday, 26 November, 2014, 2:04am

Police fire at protesters with tear spray. Photo: Sam Tsang
At least 80 protesters were detained yesterday amid clashes with police during the first round of court-ordered clearance operations in the Mong Kok protest zone.

Police used pepper spray in a vain bid to clear Occupy protesters after opening part of Argyle Street and last night were locked in a tense confrontation with a crowd in nearby Nathan Road.

Police said they would begin clearing the section of Nathan Road that is between Argyle Street and Dundas Street today.

On the 59th day of the occupation, yesterday's removal of barricades from Argyle Street in enforcement of an injunction had been expected to go smoothly. But displaced protesters quickly moved to Portland Street and the one-way street, where barricades were cleared last month, was once again blocked.

By nightfall, protesters had been pushed back to Nathan Road at the junction of Portland and Changsha streets.

"I was outraged. I was on the footpath, with my feet not touching the road," said student Alfred Wong, 18, who was pepper-sprayed.

Several journalists, including South China Morning Post photographer Sam Tsang Kwok-chung, claimed to have been pepper-sprayed by police while covering the day's incidents.

Police Public Relations Branch Senior Superintendent Kong Man-keung said bailiffs had given repeated warnings "but interference was caused by those at the scene".

He said bailiffs, in line with the injunction order, asked police for help and when warnings by officers were also ignored, they carried out "dispersion measures".

About 7,000 police officers, split into two shifts, were sent to assist in the operation yesterday.

Bailiffs took more than five hours to clear some of the barricades listed in the court injunction, opening up at least one lane of traffic on Argyle Street.

But the scene became chaotic after officers tried to disperse protesters on an Argyle Street footpath outside the Langham Place shopping mall by pushing them into a narrow pavement on Portland Street and then trying to persuade them to leave.

Clashes later broke out as hundreds of protesters faced off with baton and shield-wielding police on Portland Street. Police raised red warning flags and later fired pepper spray. Three officers were injured during the clashes.

Some protesters criticised police for a lack of organisation. "It's not part of the area in the injunction," 23-year-old audio technician Timmy Wong said of Portland Street.

Police said that as of 8pm, 80 people had been arrested, among them a Now TV engineer who allegedly assaulted an officer. Police had earlier said that six females and 17 males, including League of Social Democrats lawmaker "Long Hair" Leung Kwok-hung, were arrested for suspected contempt of court. Nine males were arrested for allegedly assaulting police and obstructing a public officer in the execution of duties.

Watch: Occupy protesters arrested during scuffles with police in Mong Kok

A minibus drivers' group obtained the court injunction to remove road barricades on a small section of Argyle Street. The cleared section accounted for only a small portion of the occupied area, but is a crucial intersection.

Another injunction has been granted to a taxi drivers' association for clearing the much longer Nathan Road.

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as Arrests, pepper spray as clearance starts
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AssassinsMace

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Reading that article... I just have to laugh at the irony. They live under the jack boots of the communists and the protestors are complaining about how they shouldn't be pepper-sprayed if they're standing on the sidewalk and not on the street.
 
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The timing of the use of police force is interesting. It is happening when the US is very busy with Ferguson protest. It will be hard to focus on Hong Kong while your backyard is burning, I guess.

What do you guys think about the timing? why now that the police arrested Joshua Wong?
 
wtlh

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balance said:
The timing of the use of police force is interesting. It is happening when the US is very busy with Ferguson protest. It will be hard to focus on Hong Kong while your backyard is burning, I guess.

What do you guys think about the timing? why now that the police arrested Joshua Wong?
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It is just pure coincidence. The court orders were issued days ago for the bailiffs to clear the sites. Further more, it is not like the US government or media has just one person working. They can do multi-tasking pretty well, like all governments do everyday. It has been involved in two wars simultaneously for almost a decade, and never once has it lost focus on other stuff, like negotiations wrt TPP, Iran, NK, Russia and China etc. One local unrest is nothing compared to grand scheme of things. If anything, news wise, it would even help to shift some focus away from domestic troubles.
 
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wtlh said:
It is just pure coincidence. The court orders were issued days ago for the bailiffs to clear the sites. Further more, it is not like the US government or media has just one person working. They can do multi-tasking pretty well, like all governments do everyday. It has been involved in two wars simultaneously for almost a decade, and never once has it lost focus on other stuff, like negotiations wrt TPP, Iran, NK, Russia and China etc. One local unrest is nothing compared to grand scheme of things. If anything, news wise, it would even help to shift some focus away from domestic troubles.
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But I think it will mitigate any negative PR when there are others, more serious events going on. Imagine if this happened a few months ago. The picture of police dragging protestors wil be the headline in CNN or the like. Now, it will look bad and foolish to do so while Ferguson and other cities are in troubles.

Another thing is this: police in Ferguson arrested 29 people yesterday. Who will cry out "foul" when Hong Kong police arrested protestors?
 
AssassinsMace

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Well you can either look at it as coincidence, the HK authorities are using Ferguson to cover removing and arresting protestors, the protestors are trying to jump on the Ferguson bandwagon to garner attention for themselves, or it's the Western media selective reporting on HK arrests as to counter what's happening in Ferguson because the fact is dismantling protests sites in HK was well underway before these latest riots in Ferguson.
 
MwRYum

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AssassinsMace said:
Well you can either look at it as coincidence, the HK authorities are using Ferguson to cover removing and arresting protestors, the protestors are trying to jump on the Ferguson bandwagon to garner attention for themselves, or it's the Western media selective reporting on HK arrests as to counter what's happening in Ferguson because the fact is dismantling protests sites in HK was well underway before these latest riots in Ferguson.
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When you look at the latest opinion polls (which the government's ratings got a boost), the Yellow Ribbon Gangs got not "open arms" treatment everytime they tried to "promote their message" in other areas of the enclave, and the demographic of those who took part in the latest clashes, you can clearly tell this coloured revolution is losing steam, as the majority of the public are losing their patience, as those students shown their true colours, the fascist thugs that they are.

But those young fools, who still couldn't shake off the denizen status the media so wrongly placed them at from the beginning, now resorted to their interpretation of "Hong Kong people" as "they and them alone", anyone else ain't even "human" to begin with, less "Hong Kong people", even it's us so-called "non-human" who paid the taxes that funded their educations and welfare they as minors enjoys all this time!

And what happens now at Ferguson and various US cities, gives credence to the fact that HK Police is anything but brutal...in fact, when the US cities rolls out National Guards and M1A2 tanks onto the streets, using LRAD and flashbangs along with tear gas and other "traditional tools" like batons, HK Police simply pampers those runts by comparison, when those spoiled kids clearly deserves some true beatings. They should be counting their blessing that the government didn't use the Ferguson as excuse to roll out the PLA, and instead insisting the use of minimal level of force, even when cracking some skulls and shatter a few middle fingers is clearly called for.

They simply deviate from their "peaceful, non-violence" mantle as they were all dressed up and equipped for war...they're clearly not "un-armed" nor "non-confrontational". The only response they deserves is to be treated with "international standard" they so yearned, ie. getting a lot of beatdown, NYPD style.
 
Doombreed

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MwRYum said:
But those young fools, who still couldn't shake off the denizen status the media so wrongly placed them at from the beginning, now resorted to their interpretation of "Hong Kong people" as "they and them alone", anyone else ain't even "human" to begin with, less "Hong Kong people", even it's us so-called "non-human" who paid the taxes that funded their educations and welfare they as minors enjoys all this time!
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[Citation Needed]

MwRYum said:
And what happens now at Ferguson and various US cities, gives credence to the fact that HK Police is anything but brutal...in fact, when the US cities rolls out National Guards and M1A2 tanks onto the streets, using LRAD and flashbangs along with tear gas and other "traditional tools" like batons, HK Police simply pampers those runts by comparison, when those spoiled kids clearly deserves some true beatings. They should be counting their blessing that the government didn't use the Ferguson as excuse to roll out the PLA, and instead insisting the use of minimal level of force, even when cracking some skulls and shatter a few middle fingers is clearly called for.
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You can't compare protesters breaking windows in front of a crowd of reporters for their benefit with rioting and arson. And thank god the Kong Hong police understand that as well. Rolling in the PLA and any heavier handed response plays into their narrative. It will help the movement at a time when it's losing steam.

MwRYum said:
They simply deviate from their "peaceful, non-violence" mantle as they were all dressed up and equipped for war...they're clearly not "un-armed" nor "non-confrontational". The only response they deserves is to be treated with "international standard" they so yearned, ie. getting a lot of beatdown, NYPD style.
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That's not something you should be proud about emulating.
 
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At this point, OC is on its merry way to becoming the most dangerous thing for a political movement... a joke.

And they did it all to themselves, by utterly mucking up the popular opinion aspect of the fight.
 
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