North Korea says nuclear test successful

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I don't think Beijing would consider a nuclear-armed Japan an acceptable result

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I am afraid I have to disagree. Ask yourself what are the strategic military consequences to China of Japan building the bomb? Answer - None, because China would never allow itself to get into the position where the use of such a weapon was a viable or unavoidable action.

What is the Political consequence of Japan acquiring the Bomb? Answer, it would upset the entire SE Asian Region and destroy any aspiration Japan has to regional leadership.

What would the Tactical Military consequence to China be? Answer, TNW and their delivery systems are expensive, opting for a weapon that it could never use, Japan would still need to sacrifice a Weapons system that might actually be useful to it in any territorial scrap that may develop with its Continental neighbour.

China, as previously stated, simply continues along its current course unchanged.

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SampanViking said:

What is the Political consequence of Japan acquiring the Bomb? Answer, it would upset the entire SE Asian Region and destroy any aspiration Japan has to regional leadership.

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Japan wouldn't acquire nuclear weapons lightly. It would have to be sorely provoked. And if Japan were ever to be the "regional leader" it would have to have a high level of support. If it had that level of support, countries would accept it getting the bomb.

What would the Tactical Military consequence to China be? Answer, TNW and their delivery systems are expensive, opting for a weapon that it could never use, Japan would still need to sacrifice a Weapons system that might actually be useful to it in any territorial scrap that may develop with its Continental neighbour.

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Or Japan could simply start spending more than 1% of GDP on defence..........

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To be fair i don't really understand why everyone is making a big row, i mean so many people have some type of nuclear warhead, so its most likely that N.Korea have one too, who really cares if they do?

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see, my view is that as soon as North Korea tests something, it will be facing plenty of tomahawk missiles that will destroy any kind of nuclear capability it has. So Kim, keep on being stupid.

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Merged with the other NK bomb test thread

Re: North Korean H Bomb Test - A cynical view

I don't think N Koreans actually have Nukes.

If they did, they would've tested it already. They have nothing to lose by testing. If USA attacks, then it will set off a real war, and another war is something the USA does not want. This is why the USA didn't do anything when N Korea tested it's missiles.

China has no influence on N Korea as shown by the missile tests. And I doubt China like the USA would invade because they also do not want war.

My two cents.

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SampanViking said:

I am afraid I have to disagree. Ask yourself what are the strategic military consequences to China of Japan building the bomb? Answer - None, because China would never allow itself to get into the position where the use of such a weapon was a viable or unavoidable action.

What is the Political consequence of Japan acquiring the Bomb? Answer, it would upset the entire SE Asian Region and destroy any aspiration Japan has to regional leadership.

What would the Tactical Military consequence to China be? Answer, TNW and their delivery systems are expensive, opting for a weapon that it could never use, Japan would still need to sacrifice a Weapons system that might actually be useful to it in any territorial scrap that may develop with its Continental neighbour.

China, as previously stated, simply continues along its current course unchanged.

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It is possible that SE Asia will regard Japan's militarization as a rational response to an irrational and nuclear North Korea. In any case it is in their interests to balance Japan off against China. Political realities is of greater importance to them than any emotional anti-Japanese outburst based upon the historical past, about which they are already far less vocal than either China or Korea.

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Spike said:

It is possible that SE Asia will regard Japan's militarization as a rational response to an irrational and nuclear North Korea. In any case it is in their interests to balance Japan off against China. Political realities is of greater importance to them than any emotional anti-Japanese outburst based upon the historical past, about which they are already far less vocal than either China or Korea.

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Well i think the opposite will be the case, during the leadership of premier Koizumi, he has thrall a lot other SE Asian countries with his continued visiting of some shrine. You may not forget that many SE asian have endured a lot from japanese occupation during WWII and Japan hast lost a lot influence in these regions to China. And to see another militaristic Japan is not really something that will make that view to SE Asia anything friendlier.

And Because you don't see any emotional Anti-Japanese outburst in N.K. don't think there isn't any. It is simply that they have not the freedom to demonstrate or have any western press to report it. And do not forget that Kim Il have already threaten S.K. and Japan with his military.

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GermanChinese said:

Well i think the opposite will be the case, during the leadership of premier Koizumi, he has thrall a lot other SE Asian countries with his continued visiting of some shrine.

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Was that why South-East Asia generally backed Japan's bid to join the United Nations Security Council as a permanent member? China and South Korea were conspicuous in their opposition in Asia.

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I personaly get a little worried whenever I hear North Korea is doing any sort of nuclear testing. It's like a drunken hillbilly uncle going out to 'test tha' scatter gun out on some logs out back'. You just know someone is, at the very least getting embarised, at the worst killed.