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How is NK developing some advanced weaponry despite being so heavily sanctioned? Their missile program is clearly ahead of Iran's and Pakistan's and even India's. Possibly, drones as well.
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It's almost certainly from a regular tech transfer/advisor stipend from China. Beijing has stopped most of its commitment to UN's proposed sanctions against NK.

Not that they had that much commitment in the first place, but they used to only give them a civilian industry support. Now they were even given the green light for nukes.
 
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It's almost certainly from a regular tech transfer/advisor stipend from China. Beijing has stopped most of its commitment to UN's proposed sanctions against NK.

Not that they had that much commitment in the first place, but they used to only give them a civilian industry support. Now they were even given the green light for nukes.
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I think that no one is born with technology already in their pocket, it's like Christopher Columbus' egg, you always need someone who first achieves a certain goal or creates an invention, then it's easier for others to try to understand how he did it and make it same or similar, and if you have help it's always easier.
In any case, in the armaments sector, the nation needs people who have a good technical, engineering and scientific basis, to then put into practice what they have learned on a theoretical level.
Looking at the type of new armaments created by the DPRK, one might think that the North Koreans have carefully observed and studied both Eastern and Western weapons systems, adapting them to their needs and production capabilities.
So I think so! the Chinese may also have helped, but the same must be said for the help coming from Russia or the so-called Western countries.
But the current results are probably the goal reached after decades of studies and planning which certainly saw an important acceleration under the command of Kim Jong-un.
 
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I think that no one is born with technology already in their pocket, it's like Christopher Columbus' egg, you always need someone who first achieves a certain goal or creates an invention, then it's easier for others to try to understand how he did it and make it same or similar, and if you have help it's always easier.
In any case, in the armaments sector, the nation needs people who have a good technical, engineering and scientific basis, to then put into practice what they have learned on a theoretical level.
Looking at the type of new armaments created by the DPRK, one might think that the North Koreans have carefully observed and studied both Eastern and Western weapons systems, adapting them to their needs and production capabilities.
So I think so! the Chinese may also have helped, but the same must be said for the help coming from Russia or the so-called Western countries.
But the current results are probably the goal reached after decades of studies and planning which certainly saw an important acceleration under the command of Kim Jong-un.
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Yes, DPRK also have decent higher education and excellent basic education, especially outside of rural areas. For a program of lend lease to work well, you need people who understand how to use the transfered tech. And also sensible people who have an understanding of logistics and organization.

All that contributes to success, and now that DPRK has been sufficiently armed, they will be able to take on new and more advanced roles within the global security framework, for example as arms distributor, undertake black ops etc.
 
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It's almost certainly from a regular tech transfer/advisor stipend from China. Beijing has stopped most of its commitment to UN's proposed sanctions against NK.

Not that they had that much commitment in the first place, but they used to only give them a civilian industry support. Now they were even given the green light for nukes.
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You have evidences to back that claim? If not, stop spreading disinformation.
 
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vincent said:
You have evidences to back that claim? If not, stop spreading disinformation.
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US has been bitching and moaning about Chinese ships mooring into NK for like a decade. Nobody can verify the contents. Plus NK people are allowed to come to China and study/work.

While form follows function is true to some extent, just look at (especially rocketry, as that's what most sophisticated for NK) their equipment, you can see it visually and performance wise closely approaches Chinese military projects. They have HJ-10s, DF-16 equivalents etc. Just adding 2 + 2 together when the junior ally of a major power suddenly has a lot of platforms resembling the major power's.

Plus they were already allowed to have actual nukes. There's no higher level of cooperation you can get, the fact not all capability facets of DPRK gets militarily upgraded is just because they cannot sustain the maintenance it would cost.
 
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US has been bitching and moaning about Chinese ships mooring into NK for like a decade. Nobody can verify the contents. Plus NK people are allowed to come to China and study/work.

While form follows function is true to some extent, just look at (especially rocketry, as that's what most sophisticated for NK) their equipment, you can see it visually and performance wise closely approaches Chinese military projects. They have HJ-10s, DF-16 equivalents etc. Just adding 2 + 2 together when the junior ally of a major power suddenly has a lot of platforms resembling the major power's.

Plus they were already allowed to have actual nukes. There's no higher level of cooperation you can get, the fact not all capability facets of DPRK gets militarily upgraded is just because they cannot sustain the maintenance it would cost.
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We know nothing about NK weapons. Stop making up stuffs.
Whoever think China is happy to have a neighbour that can send a nuke to Beijing in 5 minutes need to have his/her head examined.
 
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vincent said:
We know nothing about NK weapons. Stop making up stuffs.
Whoever think China is happy to have a neighbour that can send a nuke to Beijing in 5 minutes need to have his/her head examined.
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We know enough in fact - and just as China isn't exactly happy about... friendly, but very temperamental buffer state(better than South Korea at least?), which brings a lot of bad publicity and diplomatic problems to China just by existing.
So is DPRK, often very suspicious and distrustful of China. Being small and having reputation of being annoying is actually scary.

There's a lot of Iranian links in modern DPRK weapons(and the other way around), and of course lots and lots of Soviet ones(but very often different basic models from ones standing behind Chinese weapon lines - check their tanks or SAMs, for instance).

And while Chinese subcomponents (or western subcomponents sourced through China) are of course an integral part of DPRK MIC, finding more direct modern connections between two industrial complexes is almost impossible.
 
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It is fairly well known that post Soviet collapse a lot of technologies were bought. Just like the Chinese bought the Varyag carrier from Ukraine together with the Su-33 prototype, not to mention the UGT-25000 gas turbine license, North Korea bought their liquid rocket technology.

The North Koreans had cloned the Scud missile and made their own advanced versions for decades. Like the Nodong. So they already had their own cadre of rocket engine and vehicle designers. Their missiles also got exported to Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt and Libya, so this was probably a highly profitable business.

North Korea spent a lot of time digesting this information and introducing it into their own rockets. But after all this time results are visible.
 
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We know nothing about NK weapons. Stop making up stuffs.
Whoever think China is happy to have a neighbour that can send a nuke to Beijing in 5 minutes need to have his/her head examined.
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Whoever thinking NK didn't have China's full blessing to get nukes should have his/her head examined.

5 minutes to Beijing? So conversely speaking, it's only 5 minutes from the weapons are stored in Beijing region to those nuclear facilities during the decade it took to get them online.

If there was any chance China didn't want a nuclear NK, they would have gone ballistic on them with coups, assassinations or straight up intervention.

China ousted even US nukes out of ROC with threats. Suppose NK was hypothetically an anti China state acquiring nukes with even the slightest idea to point them at Beijing, what cards could NK play to let China allow them during the decade (more like multi decade without tech assistance) long buildup phase, that US didn't have?
 
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Whoever thinking NK didn't have China's full blessing to get nukes should have his/her head examined.

5 minutes to Beijing? So conversely speaking, it's only 5 minutes from the weapons are stored in Beijing region to those nuclear facilities during the decade it took to get them online.

If there was any chance China didn't want a nuclear NK, they would have gone ballistic on them with coups, assassinations or straight up intervention.

China ousted even US nukes out of ROC with threats. Suppose NK was hypothetically an anti China state acquiring nukes with even the slightest idea to point them at Beijing, what cards could NK play to let China allow them during the decade (more like multi decade without tech assistance) long buildup phase, that US didn't have?
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in my country they say that:
" con i se e con i ma non si fa la storia " ,
literally translated
"with ifs and buts you don't make history",
I hope the translation is effective in understanding it, in any case it is a way of saying that invites healthy realism and concreteness of action, not to stop at hypotheses or suppositions.
 
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