News on China's scientific and technological development.

muddie

Junior Member
Germany and Europe are waiting for the outcome of the US election. But at the end of the day, don't expect Europe to side with Huawei or China. Europe may not like Trump, and may disagree with some US policies from time to time, but they share similar values and culture. EU still wants the US to take a leadership role. It is a lot easier for the EU to go with the US than with China.

China's relationship with EU is mostly transactional, nothing more.

China should strive to build up an alliance of like minded nations in Asia.

Basically 5 Eye countries, second tier allies including Japan/France/Germany/Italy etc. will not use Huawei. They will not use anything Chinese that could be considered core infrastructure.

I think countries like AUS and UK mistakenly publicized banning Huawei in the early stages which drew Chinese retaliation to an extent. The new tactic is to stay "undecided" as long as possible with their 5G rollout but exclude Huawei. This is what Canada is doing (i.e. didn't officially ban Huawei but it's forcing telecom companies to exclude Huawei out of uncertainty of a potential ban).

Until Huawei starts actually building stuff in France/Germany, it's all up in the air and there is no certainty whether these EU countries will reverse their decisions. IMO China should retaliate on export heavy EU countries like Germany if they make it official to ban Huawei.
 

Petrolicious88

Senior Member
Registered Member
Just my personal opinion, but I believe no one in the CCP politburo is willing to do this.

There is such an alliance in the world today, and it is breaking apart.

It could break apart over telecom equipment.

Telecom equipment!

How weird is that?

Kind of shows there is no value to such said alliances, unless there is a real war going on.

Western alliance is not falling apart. It's again coalescing around perceived shared enemies: Russia and this time China. It's based on deeply rooted western culture and values that goes back hundreds of years. 4 years of Trump is not going to break apart this alliance.

It's in China's interest to disrupt this alliance. But how it does that is the hard part. Establishing trade, or having economic interdepence with EU countries is not enough; you seen that with Huawei already. It's much easier for China to form an alliance of liked minded friends in Asia for obvious reasons of cultural and language similarities. The economic growth of the world is shifting towards Asia anyway.
 
Last edited:

daifo

Captain
Registered Member
Western alliance is not falling apart. It's again coalescing around perceived shared enemies: Russia and this time China. It's based on deeply rooted western culture and values that goes back hundreds of years. 4 years of Trump is not going to break apart this alliance.

It's in China's interest to disrupt this alliance. But how it does that is the hard part. Establishing trade, or having economic interdepence with EU countries is not enough; you seen that with Huawei already. It's much easier for China to form an alliance of liked minded friends in Asia for obvious reasons of cultural and language similarities. The economic growth of the world is shifting towards Asia anyway.


I feel that the western alliances is trending towards 2 camps, the five eyes and EU. The 5-eyes is the mad attack dog threatening violence and destruction while the EU will focus more on using trade etc.
 

horse

Colonel
Registered Member
Western alliance is not falling apart. It's again coalescing around perceived shared enemies: Russia and this time China. It's based on deeply rooted western culture and values that goes back hundreds of years. 4 years of Trump is not going to break apart this alliance.
There's no money. There's no purpose to the alliance.

There is two parts to this so-called alliance. The Americans and the Germans.

The American print money off their printing press, to make a long story short, that gives them strength.

The Germans, a have a lower exchange rate with the Euro, because the Deutsche Mark was too expensive, which affected their export industries. With a common currency, the German export machine will have a better exchange rate. The exchange rate is better because of the slackers in the European southern countries, which suppresses the value of the Euro.

China obviously saw the games they were playing, and they did their thing, their own calculations.

At this stage of the game, no one is willing to pay.

America first. Europe never spends much on defense. No one is willing to pay anymore.

They can say all the slogans they want. No one can hide the reality that the formula for the past, that is broken now.
 

horse

Colonel
Registered Member
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

These are curious practical questions.

For Americans, China is the devil, so the autonomous car networked to 5G in America will be free of anything Chinese. When will this 5G network be installed in America?

That is anyone's guess.

That same network of 5G allowing these autonomous car connections has a date of the end of 2021 to be ready in China.

Self driving car is a big part of the future of the auto industry. Telsa has to be there, there in China.

China should welcome Telsa cars to be on Chinese roads. The details over the data how it is handled can be worked out. The win-win.

That is 5G in China, the win-win.

The 5G in America, seems more like at the moment the wait-wait ...

Still waiting ...

Still waiting ...

Eat a moon cake ...

:p
 

muddie

Junior Member
Western alliance is not falling apart. It's again coalescing around perceived shared enemies: Russia and this time China. It's based on deeply rooted western culture and values that goes back hundreds of years. 4 years of Trump is not going to break apart this alliance.

It's in China's interest to disrupt this alliance. But how it does that is the hard part. Establishing trade, or having economic interdepence with EU countries is not enough; you seen that with Huawei already. It's much easier for China to form an alliance of liked minded friends in Asia for obvious reasons of cultural and language similarities. The economic growth of the world is shifting towards Asia anyway.

IMO the Chinese leadership is very aware of this and I think that is one of the biggest factors driving the technology push in China.

These countries don't need to like China, but in the end if they need access to Chinese technology/market/manufacturing capabilities - or else they risk falling behind technologically/economically, then China has reached it's goal.

Huawei is a good example where countries like UK is forced to shoot itself in the foot just to ban Huawei. If this trend continues with other pieces of key technology in the future, then banning Chinese can't be used as a political weapon.

I think another 4 years of Trump will do substantial damage to U.S.-EU relations, especially if the Trump administration continues to punish EU through trade and withdrawing the U.S. military. This is why another Trump presidency is in China's interest. Restoring relations with the EU is a top priority for Biden.
 

ansy1968

Brigadier
Registered Member
The unintended consequences of Trump trade and tech war with China, you threaten their supply chain, they will look for an alternative and go LOCAL. It take them long enough but Now all Chinese tech company realize that domestic sourcing is both a patriotic duty and as a mean of survival from possible sanction and blackmail.

from cnTechPost


OPPO and Tsinghua University establish joint research center for future device technology
2020-10-02 10:01:02 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
0

79c91a9294f9cee958d3b6a8c8c4717f.png

OPPO and Tsinghua University recently announced the establishment of a joint research center for future terminal technology, where the two parties will collaborate on research in human-computer interaction technology, cognitive computing, computer vision, and computational camera science.

The center's research will be closely integrated with future terminal and wearable device industry applications to achieve cross-disciplinary integration.

OPPO said it will collaborate with several departments at Tsinghua University, including the Department of Computer Science, Department of Automation, Institute of Brain and Cognitive Science, School of Software, School of Materials, School of Medicine and School of Fine Arts.
Academician Dai Qionghai of Tsinghua University said the establishment of the center will promote the application of smartphones in pathology detection, microscopy, human-computer interaction and many other fields.
Zheng Li, vice president of Tsinghua University, said OPPO is an important enterprise in the field of mobile communications in the world, with strong strength in the development and manufacture of smartphones and other terminals, and looked forward to an early breakthrough in the scientific cooperation between Tsinghua and OPPO.


The establishment of a joint research center with Tsinghua University is another important event in OPPO's Bell Program.
Since the launch of the Bell Program in 2018, OPPO has been conducting research cooperation and academic exchanges with 40 renowned universities at home and abroad, including Stanford University, Tsinghua University, New York University, Peking University, Zhejiang University, and the University of Electronic Science and Technology, and has established a joint research center with two top universities, Tsinghua University and Zhejiang University.

Liu Chang, president of OPPO Research Institute, said OPPO will help break the circle of products and services with technology, and cooperate with Tsinghua in the fields of process, design, artificial intelligence and next-generation interaction technology under the guidance of the strategy of mutual integration of all things.


Xiaomi has responsibility for pushing local components to replace foreign ones, founder says
2020-10-02 9:48:53 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
0

5f84a9a81189689189333e46f8d0f111.jpeg

Xiaomi Group Founder, Chairman and CEO Lei Jun recently said that Xiaomi has a very big responsibility to provide a boost in the wave of Chinese companies adopting local components.

At the 2020 China Green Company Annual Conference, Lei talked about how Chinese companies should improve the competitiveness of their manufacturing supply chains against the backdrop of today's anti-globalization trend.

He said that the launch of the Redmi product line by Xiaomi in 2013 put forward the idea of preferring the domestic industry chain.
The entire mobile phone industry in China today is promoting the selection of domestic components on a large scale, and in the past period of time Xiaomi has also invested in a large number of domestic device research and development companies, Lei Jun said, adding that in this wave of Xiaomi has a great responsibility to promote the replacement of foreign devices with domestic ones.
He also mentioned that after three years of hard work, the Xiaomi Smart Factory has been completed and put into production, which is a factory that produces ultra-high-end mobile phones and is fully automated except for loading and unloading.


This is still a very difficult task for high-end smartphones, with only 100 people in the factory, most of them engineers, he said.
Lei said the second phase of the smart factory hopes to achieve a production line of 10 million ultra-high-end smartphones, all of which are unmanned.

He added that the real pride for now is that all the equipment used in the production line, except for the edge-mounted machine, is either developed by Xiaomi itself or by companies invested by Xiaomi.
 

s002wjh

Junior Member
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

These are curious practical questions.

For Americans, China is the devil, so the autonomous car networked to 5G in America will be free of anything Chinese. When will this 5G network be installed in America?

That is anyone's guess.

That same network of 5G allowing these autonomous car connections has a date of the end of 2021 to be ready in China.

Self driving car is a big part of the future of the auto industry. Telsa has to be there, there in China.

China should welcome Telsa cars to be on Chinese roads. The details over the data how it is handled can be worked out. The win-win.

That is 5G in China, the win-win.

The 5G in America, seems more like at the moment the wait-wait ...

Still waiting ...

Still waiting ...

Eat a moon cake ...

:p
AI requires 5g bandwidth and massive data. telsa use 5g and massive data in China to test it's algorithm, then transferred all the data and algorithms back to US. Hmmm
 

ansy1968

Brigadier
Registered Member
AI requires 5g bandwidth and massive data. telsa use 5g and massive data in China to test it's algorithm, then transferred all the data and algorithms back to US. Hmmm
Hi s002wjh,

Will that require Chinese approve under the new tech law enacted this year. Since it was produce in China and considered as a Chinese tech product/innovation.
 

horse

Colonel
Registered Member
AI requires 5g bandwidth and massive data. telsa use 5g and massive data in China to test it's algorithm, then transferred all the data and algorithms back to US. Hmmm
I am not part of that business.

I can definitely say, well, that is business.

The CCP, they could kick out Telsa tomorrow, if they choose. Not today, but tomorrow, Friday, they could order them out of the country.

Well, why do you want them to do that? Telsa wants to make money in China, and the world.

Telsa invests money into China, the Shanghai manufacturing plant.

Telsa will pay Chinese telecom companies for the usage of their network.

Telsa will work with Chinese tech companies on how to improve networked performance with the vehicles. Maybe they all learn something working together to be more competitive.

Telsa will hire local talent to run their operations. Very unlikely the CCP will give out green cards like the Americans do.

Telsa could very well just do their autonomous vehicle R&D over 5G networks in China, until that becomes available in the United States, whenever that is. Did you know Beijing already has a standalone 5G network? If Telsa is ready and there are regulations in place, they could test these networked cars there. But first, they probably have to pay the local government a license to operate such a car on the road.

Telsa employees can quit, and take their expertise and work somewhere else in China, it's a big country.

Telsa competition will only force Chinese competitors to be more competitive.

That is how the world works, hmm.

There are a lot of reasons for this arrangement.

Compare that to what the Americans get out of it.
 
Top