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Petrolicious88 said:

Germany and Europe are waiting for the outcome of the US election. But at the end of the day, don't expect Europe to side with Huawei or China. Europe may not like Trump, and may disagree with some US policies from time to time, but they share similar values and culture. EU still wants the US to take a leadership role. It is a lot easier for the EU to go with the US than with China.

China's relationship with EU is mostly transactional, nothing more.

China should strive to build up an alliance of like minded nations in Asia.

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Although I agree in principle of what you are suggesting, that could turn out to be the case, but I feel it is totally wrong.

That is a totally wrong way to run things.

I look at what happened to Canada. Canada was a leader in 5G tech, but the government arrested some Chinese woman, and everything is on hold. Canada just flushed all it advantages in 5G down the toilet. This is important, the 5G. Major oil companies, ie the Seven Sisters, some are moving away from the oil business. What is Canada, but oil? At least there was some possibilities with 5G, but that is gone too now.

We have to think of our own interests.

Then we add in the fact, which is basically not reported in the western media, the lead China has in 5G.

The point is to have 5G networks. That makes the country more competitive and stronger.

By the time the United States has a full standalone 5G network nation wide, maybe the 5G revolution already passed them by in other countries?

Every country in the world has to think of their own interests.

(I mean, does not matter how big your coalition is, if the coalition does not have 5G, it still does not have 5G regardless of it size).

Old article, which show the schedule for 5G roll out world wide.

The pandemic changed everything. China is on schedule, but everyone else is further behind.

12/12/18

BrightFuture said:

The two faced little sh*ts of Germany already made up their mind

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No Huawei for Germany

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the law hasn't even been drafted yet according to the report, give it some time to pan out

horse said:

Although I agree in principle of what you are suggesting, that could turn out to be the case, but I feel it is totally wrong.

That is a totally wrong way to run things.

I look at what happened to Canada. Canada was a leader in 5G tech, but the government arrested some Chinese woman, and everything is on hold. Canada just flushed all it advantages in 5G down the toilet. This is important, the 5G. Major oil companies, ie the Seven Sisters, some are moving away from the oil business. What is Canada, but oil? At least there was some possibilities with 5G, but that is gone too now.

We have to think of our own interests.

Then we add in the fact, which is basically not reported in the western media, the lead China has in 5G.

The point is to have 5G networks. That makes the country more competitive and stronger.

By the time the United States has a full standalone 5G network nation wide, maybe the 5G revolution already passed them by in other countries?

Every country in the world has to think of their own interests.

(I mean, does not matter how big your coalition is, if the coalition does not have 5G, it still does not have 5G regardless of it size).

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In Realism school of international theory, politics trumps economics.

Doesn’t matter if Canada or Australia is now behind 5G due to US pressure. The politics of each country forces them to align with the US over China. Politics trump economics.

Plus, Australia, Canada or the EU is not going to abandon their shared western values/culture with the US to side with China. China’s relationship with these countries is as deep as the next business transaction, nothing more.

In the long run, China needs to establish an alliance of friends based on deeply shared culture, values, and interests.

Let's think of it this way.

What happened with England had the Industrial Revolution? What happened next?

What happened when the United States lead with the 4G networks. People attribute the rise of internet and technical giants like Micro$oft, Intel, Cisco, Google, Amazon, because 4G happened in American first, giving it first mover advantage.

What will happened if China has first mover advantage in terms of years in 5G networks?

China is not isolated here. Western government may bar their internal telecom companies from procuring Huawei 5G equipment, but any western company could work with 5G standalone networks inside China. The autonomous driving vehicle, you need standalone 5G, BMW will develop that in China not Germany, because one country has a standalone 5G network.

That is first mover advantage. BWM could choose to wait years for Germany to install their 5G standalone network, then get working on the autonomous driving vehicle networked to the 5G. As long as no one else does the same thing in China, that will work, then they can wait.

If we understand first mover advantage, we understand how realistic that option is for a company like BMW.

daifo said:

14nm is 5-7 year old cpu tech. No owner of cloud servers or pc or phone or car or anything want chips that are lower in processing power, runs hotter , uses more energy, and takes more space than others in the free market. This type of mentality will bring China back decades. It China wants to be the superpower and world manufacturing/tech hub, there is no surrendering till it reach equilibrium with what is on the free market.

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That's irrelevant. Cloud computing means the processing is moved from client to servers. Therefore, your consumer devices no longer needs to try to squeeze out every processing power it can on a tiny device.

In fact, cloud computing is the only way quantum computers can become mainstream.

Petrolicious88 said:

Politics trump economics.

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You know what ... I really do not know what that means! LOL.

Guess I have a blind spot.

Cheers! Have a moon cake!

Petrolicious88 said:

In the long run, China needs to establish an alliance of friends based on deeply shared culture, values, and interests.

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Just my personal opinion, but I believe no one in the CCP politburo is willing to do this.

There is such an alliance in the world today, and it is breaking apart.

It could break apart over telecom equipment.

Telecom equipment!

How weird is that?

Kind of shows there is no value to such said alliances, unless there is a real war going on.

Petrolicious88 said:

Politics trump economics.

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You know, you do have a point. But the story does not end there.

If the government, tells a company, do not do this, then that company will not do that.

That is the end of the story for that particular government and that specific company.

In the meantime, the world moves on.

If the United States government tells BWM they cannot develop an autonomous driving vehicle inside China, because, cough cough, they have a standalone 5G network, then BMW will not do it. End of story of them.

Does not mean Toyota will not.

The world moves on.

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