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WTAN said:

Its actually quite well known in China that Huawei is part of the 02 Special Project and is developing its own EDA Tool for 7nm Chips. I have posted information on this before in the past. Hisilicon which designs Chips has the technical ability to develop its own EDA.

This Global Times article is actually the first article to publicly confirm this.

In any case, Huawei is throwing large resources at EDA development and the best Tool will be developed.

Another thing people dont realise is that American EDA is integrated with the ASML Litho Machine. Huawei has to use the same EDA as is used by its contract manufacture TSMC in order to have seamless design to manufacture. Huawei self developed EDA for 7nm Chips is also integrated with the SMEE 28nm Litho Machine which is able to produce 7nm Chips.
American EDA cannot be integrated with SMEE Litho products as SMEE is itself also under American embargo. Locally developed EDA Tools will become essential with local FABS.

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Hi WTAN,

If the sanction on SMIC do happen, what will their course of action will be, suing is out of the question? what about their operations? can they replace their critical equipment with domestic one, pieces by pieces so that it wont impede operation? or all at once, sorry for the stupid question, from what I learned from KYli, localizer and you, is that its a complex process, one missing pieces will derail the whole process.

hullopilllw said:

Oh no no no no no...helping the US stand back up on her feet only for her to continue her China containment policy ?

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I don’t think China will fall for the same crap twice. I believe China has a plan for this situation and unlike Trump, they are ready to capitalize an any mistake they make.

j17wang said:

I dont think china's goal needs to be able to match TSMC to be competitive. Eventually, TSCM will start reducing its lead anyways, the world isn't going to like one place supply the world's chips, even if its pro-western but within striking distance of China. China realistically just


needs to get to roughly intel / samsung levels. Its not like anybody believes intel or samsung is NOT world-class and competitive. There is a law of diminishing returns, and I do not want china to over-invest in a sector to considering we still need to beef up the full IT stack and commercial turbofans, which also require billions. The idea is everything in moderation, and that does not mean trying to be world leading in everything, but simply competitive enough to have a mature and well-balanced ecosystem.

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China is focus upon 3rd generation semiconductor materials and technology to leapfrog TSMC. The issue is most experts believe it would take a decade for the 3rd generation semiconductor materials and technology to be mature enough to be used.

In the mean time, China needs to over invest in the semiconductor sector for the survival for China tech industry. The stake is too high as if the US sanctioned SMIC and all major IDM, then many high tech companies would run into trouble. Alibaba, Baidu, Tencent, Bytedance, and Huawei are more than ready to take on the IT beef up. AI, loT, and smart appliances, robotics, green industry, aerospace, medicine, and new materials all have major champions. But all of these industry except one or two needs semiconductor in one way or other. That's why China needs to overcome semiconductor sanctions and prevail in order to dominate all of these industries. As for turbofans, I think China has already overcome most shortcomings and is on the road to produce high quality engine.

Awenumick said:

Quoting so that it doesn't get lost in the stream of conversation.

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Most experts say it is not mature enough to be used. Chinese government initially plans to have EUV around 2030 but the sanctions would have moved up the schedule a few years. At the moment, SMIC seems to be working on 40nm with local equipment within this year and 28nm within 3 years which is an disappointment if it is true.

ansy1968 said:

Hi WTAN,

If the sanction on SMIC do happen, what will their course of action will be, suing is out of the question? what about their operations? can they replace their critical equipment with domestic one, pieces by pieces so that it wont impede operation? or all at once, sorry for the stupid question, from what I learned from KYli, localizer and you, is that its a complex process, one missing pieces will derail the whole process.

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It seems 40nm isn't a problem. 28nm might take 3 years which is not good. SMIC needs to find a way to get 14nm, 10nm and 7nm ready within 5 years using local equipment and whatever equipment that can be procured.

Hi KYli

The American sure know how to hurt you and dominate, all these future plan of tech dominance need to have a basic foundation which is Chips. Well at least we are being honest to know our weakness and delude of a quick fix.

american private sector is not following Trump. Unless republican party will nationalize tech sector china will continue to use american tech

WTAN said:

Its actually quite well known in China that Huawei is part of the 02 Special Project and is developing its own EDA Tool for 7nm Chips. I have posted information on this before in the past. Hisilicon which designs Chips has the technical ability to develop its own EDA.

This Global Times article is actually the first article to publicly confirm this.

In any case, Huawei is throwing large resources at EDA development and the best Tool will be developed.

Another thing people dont realise is that American EDA is integrated with the ASML Litho Machine. Huawei has to use the same EDA as is used by its contract manufacture TSMC in order to have seamless design to manufacture. Huawei self developed EDA for 7nm Chips is also integrated with the SMEE 28nm Litho Machine which is able to produce 7nm Chips.
American EDA cannot be integrated with SMEE Litho products as SMEE is itself also under American embargo. Locally developed EDA Tools will become essential with local FABS.

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Just localize everything and then take market share by exporting them.

from cnTechPost, Does this mean that Harmony OS is free to use to all smartphone manufacturer?


Huawei releases HarmonyOS 2.0, will fully support Huawei phones next year
2020-09-10 17:28:25 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Huawei unveiled HarmonyOS 2.0 at its developer conference today and announced that the system will become open source, with a Beta version for developers for smartphones at the end of the year.

Richard Yu, CEO of Huawei's consumer business, said that in 2019, Huawei introduced HarmonyOS, a distributed operating system that enables fast discovery, fast connectivity, hardware mutual aid, and resource sharing for smart devices.

The debut of HarmonyOS 2.0 brings a comprehensive upgrade of distributed capabilities such as distributed data management, and distributed security, as well as the release of an adaptive UX framework that allows developers to quickly reach millions of new devices and users, he said.
"Next, HarmonyOS will be officially open source, with developers getting an emulator, SDK package, and IDE tools, and it will first release a beta version of HarmonyOS for smartphones to Chinese developers in late 2020," Richard Yu said.



He said that from September 10, HarmonyOS will be open source for large screens, watches, car systems and other devices with 128KB-128MB memory, and in April 2021, it will be open source for devices with 128MB-4GB of memory. After October 2021, the system will be open source for all devices with more than 4GB of memory.


Huawei also said that it will donate the code to the China Open Atomic Open Source Foundation.
Huawei EMUI 11 is now equipped with the distributed technology at the core of HarmonyOS, which is no longer limited to interactions between phones, but also enables interactions with IoT devices running HarmonyOS, such as phones invoking large-screen cameras for video calls and phones and smart home devices equipped with HarmonyOS networking through touch.


According to Wang Chenglu, president of Huawei's Consumer Business Software Division, HarmonyOS 2.0 has already entered into cooperation with leading Chinese manufacturers including Midea, Jiuyang and Boss, and will soon release home appliances equipped with HarmonyOS.


Huawei also introduced a complete platform tool chain and ecology for developing full-scene applications. They include:

HarmonyOS application framework: a framework for full-scene application development
13000+ APIs: complex cross-device operations encapsulated in simple interfaces

HUAWEI DevEco: One Development, Many Deployments
Ark Compiler: Multi-Device Multi-Language Compilation (Java/JS)


Distributed applications: innovative applications across the board

from cnTechPost
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Huawei said to have prepared for the 'worst' for external environment
2020-09-09 22:09:34 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Huawei has prepared for the "worst" of the external environment, giving up "illusions" and continuing to ramp up research and development at a set pace to push its business forward, said, citing a Huawei insider.

Huawei is setting up various new companies to develop new businesses, the report said.

Taking screens as an example, Huawei Consumer Business CEO Richard Yu recently issued an internal document indicating that Huawei will form teams in the field of display driver chip and component products, including display driver FAE (field application engineer), display driver product management, and display driver chip and component development department.
A Huawei's HMS Core platform insider said that Huawei will focus on building two ecologies in the future, one for hardware and the other for services and applications, the report said, adding that HMS 5.0 has fully opened up Huawei's core, end, and cloud capabilities.



"We're always thinking about what's next for Huawei's ecology and Huawei's capabilities in the future, and we're no longer doing the same as everyone else," the source said.
The person said the monthly active users of Huawei's mobile devices have grown 32 percent in the past year, from 530 million to 700 million. HMS ecology registered developers were 910,000 last year and reached 1.6 million this year, an increase of nearly 70 percent.

After a year of building and releasing 3.0, 4.0, and 5.0, more than 80,000 now have access to HMS Core, almost doubling in less than a year, the person said.
According to an earlier report by South Korean media, due to the US government to further strengthen the sanctions against Huawei, South Korea's Samsung Electronics and SK Hynix will stop supplying storage chips to Huawei from September 15, when the ban is scheduled to take effect.


Huawei Developer Conference 2020, which will be held in Dongguan on September 10 - 12, will introduce the progress of HarmonyOS 2.0, HMS, IoT, full-scenario endpoint software, and Huawei Search

and now they are diversifying into EV tech, sometime tough love is necessary to make you grow and be mature company. Thanks uncle SAM

from cnTechPost

Huawei establishes new company to focus on electric vehicle technology
2020-09-09 20:48:07 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Huawei Electric Technology Co. was established on September 8 with a registered capital of 250 million yuan and legal representative Wang Jun, Tianyancha data showed.

The company's business scope includes engineering and technology research and test development, sales of smart in-vehicle equipment, smart in-vehicle equipment manufacturing and sales of smart in-vehicle equipment.

Huawei Electric Technology Co Ltd is 100% owned by Huawei Technologies Co Ltd.

Although Huawei has repeatedly stated that it will not build cars and will only help car companies build them better, Huawei's investment in the automotive industry is still highly watched.


Previously, Huawei Technologies underwent industrial and commercial changes and the company's business scope added the development, production, sales, and service of auto parts and intelligent systems.
Huawei Technologies has also added a number of patents, including "a method and terminal device for automated driving of a motor vehicle," "a method and device for controlling the direction of a smart car," and "a method and device for controlling the direction of a traffic light. Identification methods, systems, computing devices, and smart cars".


At the 2020 China Automotive Forum on August 14, Huawei announced three major Harmony in-vehicle OS systems, and also announced that a large number of partners have been developing based on Harmony OS.


According to Wang Jun, president of Huawei Smart Car Solutions BU, the three Harmony OS are - Harmony cabin OS HOS, smart driving OS AOS and smart car control OS VOS, which are related to the cabin, driving, and control system of the smart car respectively.

Wang Jun said that there are already a large number of partners developing HOS and AOS, and VOS intelligent car control operating system can already support a number of chip suppliers including NXP NXP.
At the Huawei Developer Conference to be held tomorrow, Harmony OS 2.0 is expected to be unveiled, which will allow Harmony OS to be used further from smart screens in PCs, watches/bracelets, and in-car systems.