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With Globalfoundry dead and almost everyone else abandoned plans to make 7nm, TMSC is only game in town especially after intel and Samsung stumble.

Intel 10nm would be mass produced in 2021 and 7nm would be mass produced in 2023 which means intel is out of the competition of most advanced chips even if we assumed no further delay. Samsung is having a yield problem for its 7nm and losing a lot of orders for 5nm due to the yield issue. Samsung is definitely behind TSMC now but trying to pretend it is still in the game.

TSMC is unstoppable right now. Its 5nm is on time and 3nm looks like would also be on time. That means China only needs to catch up with TSMC. SMIC is developing 7nm and should be ready in 2021. Although without EUV and the threat of sanctions would probably set back China a few years.

KYli said:

With Globalfoundry dead and everyone else abandoned plans to make 7nm, TMSC is only game in town especially after intel and Samsung stumble.

Intel 10nm would be mass produced in 2021 and 7nm would be mass produced in 2023 which means intel is out of the competition of most advanced chips even if we assumed no further delay. Samsung is having a yield problem for its 7nm and losing a lot of orders for 5nm due to the yield issue. Samsung is definitely behind TSMC now but trying to pretend it is still in the game.

TSMC is unstoppable right now. Its 5nm is on time and 3nm looks like would also be on time. That means China only needs to catch up with TSMC. SMIC is developing 7nm and should be ready in 2021. Although without EUV and the threat of sanctions would probably set back China a few years.

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Better the tech in Taiwan than in US hands. Problem is if TSMC builds that US factory and US takes it over.

@ansy1968 China has to remain open to competition, that's the only way to win. So far China is competing in everything other than Internet Freedom so I can see a way out of the current hardware situation.

@shanlung singapore is big welfare state?



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What welfare state?

Stinkapore is a banquet table where cronies and husbands and wives of Ministers and crassloot leechers and sons and daughters and nieces and nephews feast and feast upon . What they could not eat at the table they took back in gigantic backpacks and trolleys.

While those that feast on us called people who voted for opposition to be free loaders

Enuff said!

I got that midnight knock on my door before. Even if that was 50 years ago and I was asked to join them which I refused.
The next midnight knock will not be asking me to join them.

emblem21 said:

That is why that when the USA finally gets hit by a depression and there dollars become worthless (because they are never going to pay there debts back), China should simply take there hands back and let them burn until the USA is willing to come to the negotiating table under China’s advantage. Also, I am very certain that if the USA falls, lots of countries (even those in Europe) would certainly love to give the USA a good hiding for getting into everyone’s business all the time. There is a lot of pent up anger at the USA and you can bet that not many would consider helping them at all because they are so damn ungrateful for what they have, it is high time they lose it all.

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Oh no no no no no...helping the US stand back up on her feet only for her to continue her China containment policy ?

localizer said:

Better the tech in Taiwan than in US hands. Problem is if TSMC builds that US factory and US takes it over.

@ansy1968 China has to remain open to competition, that's the only way to win. So far China is competing in everything other than Internet Freedom so I can see a way out of the current hardware situation.

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Hi localizer,

That's the US sanction strategy is all about, Isolating China tech wise. I agree with you 100% China has to remain open to competition, all this call for retaliation is what American are looking for , they are setting up a trap and China will not fall for that. Well a big wake up call for all Chinese and those living abroad, They will never accept us YELLOW RACE as co equal, having personally experience it first hand, all we can able to do is improve ourselves and work hard, And let envy destroy them.

cbl21 said:

it doesn't say anywhere in that article regarding a EDA tool for 7nm chips tho. where are you basing this info off of?

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Its actually quite well known in China that Huawei is part of the 02 Special Project and is developing its own EDA Tool for 7nm Chips. I have posted information on this before in the past. Hisilicon which designs Chips has the technical ability to develop its own EDA.

This Global Times article is actually the first article to publicly confirm this.

In any case, Huawei is throwing large resources at EDA development and the best Tool will be developed.

Another thing people dont realise is that American EDA is integrated with the ASML Litho Machine. Huawei has to use the same EDA as is used by its contract manufacture TSMC in order to have seamless design to manufacture. Huawei self developed EDA for 7nm Chips is also integrated with the SMEE 28nm Litho Machine which is able to produce 7nm Chips.
American EDA cannot be integrated with SMEE Litho products as SMEE is itself also under American embargo. Locally developed EDA Tools will become essential with local FABS.

Hi, new here. Any insider has got an update on this?

KYli said:

With Globalfoundry dead and almost everyone else abandoned plans to make 7nm, TMSC is only game in town especially after intel and Samsung stumble.

Intel 10nm would be mass produced in 2021 and 7nm would be mass produced in 2023 which means intel is out of the competition of most advanced chips even if we assumed no further delay. Samsung is having a yield problem for its 7nm and losing a lot of orders for 5nm due to the yield issue. Samsung is definitely behind TSMC now but trying to pretend it is still in the game.

TSMC is unstoppable right now. Its 5nm is on time and 3nm looks like would also be on time. That means China only needs to catch up with TSMC. SMIC is developing 7nm and should be ready in 2021. Although without EUV and the threat of sanctions would probably set back China a few years.

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I dont think china's goal needs to be able to match TSMC to be competitive. Eventually, TSCM will start reducing its lead anyways, the world isn't going to like one place supply the world's chips, even if its pro-western but within striking distance of China. China realistically just needs to get to roughly intel / samsung levels. Its not like anybody believes intel or samsung is NOT world-class and competitive. There is a law of diminishing returns, and I do not want china to over-invest in a sector to considering we still need to beef up the full IT stack and commercial turbofans, which also require billions. The idea is everything in moderation, and that does not mean trying to be world leading in everything, but simply competitive enough to have a mature and well-balanced ecosystem.

ansy1968 said:

Hi localizer,

That what worried me the most, the competitiveness of Chinese tech, I know the priority is for the 7nm for the 5g base station within 2 years maybe achievable. but what about the consumer gadgets and smartphone.The more people buy your product ,you can build an APPLE like system were you bind them in both software and hardware. The objective of the US ban is isolate Huawei , to reduced its 5g lead so that others may catch up. Even if Harmony OS is introduce who will buy an obsolete tech especially in the west.

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It is unlikely that China can produce 7nm chips with domestic and not sanctioned semiconductor equipment within two years. However, if the report about Huawei stockpiled two years of 7nm 5g base station chips is true, then I wouldn't worry too much about 5g base station. People have to realize that Huawei is 1.5 years ahead of Ericsson and 6.5 years ahead of Nokia. Huawei's antenna technology is light years ahead of all major competitors. Remember the British needs to delay its 5g rollout for 3 years due to the fact that it needs to take out Huawei gears.

As for smartphone, it is a lost cause for Huawei high end smartphones. Within 6 months to a year, Huawei wouldn't have any high end smartphones to sell. Huawei should focus on mid to low end smartphones that don't require 5nm or 7nm. If enough of mid to low end smartphones can be sold, then Harmony OS should have no problem to penetrate the market. At the mean time, Xiaomi, Oppo, vivo and oneplus should gobble up more market share from Samsung and Apple to prevent their resurgence.

Awenumick said:

Hi, new here. Any insider has got an update on this?

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