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free_6ix9ine

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Also, in terms of Fabs, it's not efficient for every company in China to build their own fab. We need one company that does fabrication, so everyone else can do chip design. Lazy companies like Oppo and Xiaomi never even bothered to design chips, the only reason SMIC is getting off the ground is that they are getting orders from domestic chip designers. If Oppo and Xiaomi and all the other assembly houses even bothered to design chips like 10 yrs ago and give some of that business to SMIC or another domestic fab, we would be in a way better position.
 

FangYuan

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What if China decides to invest 200 billion per year (and continuously for 30 years) in microelectronics, nanoelectronics, microprocessor, microcontroller, software and information systems right now . China has the financial strength, talent, manpower, and facilities to do that.

China's starting point is lower, but will be the winner in the end
 

free_6ix9ine

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This is a good development, architecture is also another choke point. RISC-V should be developed further to be competitive with ARM. Lithography is the perennial problem, but we can't lose sight of the bigger picture. There are a lot other problems to overcome.
 

nastya1

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I disagree not developing a semiconductor fabrication is Huaweis fault. They are a telecommunications company not a chip company, yet compared to Xiaomi or Oppo or the other multitude of phone companies in China they have come the furthest in designing chips. Does anyone really expect one company alone to design, manufacture chips, as well as make phones, software and telecom equipment? Thats like combining Qualcomm, TSMC, Cisco, Apple, google together. It's impossible.

A lot of people are at fault here.

1) The government: For having Blind belief in globalization, the US and not seriously investing in a chip fab industry until it is too late.

2) Xiaomi, Oppo, etx: Not even bothering to design their own chips, and blindly relying on Qualcomm and google Android. No demand for domestic chips means that the industry never even have chance to take off.

3) Fabs like SMIC: Relying on US equipment, never giving an opportunity to domestic equipment makers a chance.

There are so many people at fault here. Yes maybe Huawei could have done more, but one company cannot do everything.

It's like the people who worship western countries and will never drive a Chinese car or own a Chinese phone or wear a Chinese brand. Combined with a false sense of belief in globalization is why we are in this predicament.
Of course it is. Taking the easy way out. It should be like samsung or intel. CEO richard yu at recently spoke publically regretted huawei didnt making chips on its own. Opportunity lost.
If huawei has a bunch of fabs right now with years of fabrication experiences.US cant do anything even if those equipments are US origins. Those equipments already under huawei control. They already bootlegged. This way huawei wont implicate any other Chinese firms.
 

free_6ix9ine

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My dream is if Alibaba can focus on developing architecture open source like RISC-V, SMIC on building chips, Huawei in designing chips for telecommunications and cell phone processors, and SMEE on lithography, and other companies handling photo resist, masks, etching, etc.

Each company needs to specialize in one thing and do it correctly.
 

free_6ix9ine

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Of course it is. Taking the easy way out. It should be like samsung or intel. CEO richard yu at recently spoke publically regretted huawei didnt making chips on its own. Opportunity lost.
If huawei has a bunch of fabs right now with years of fabrication experiences.US cant do anything even if those equipments are US origins. Those equipments already under huawei control. They already bootlegged. This way huawei wont implicate any other Chinese firms.

You cant bootleg equipment, every asml machine is connected via the internet to ASML servers. If asml shuts off that connection. Your machine can't do anything.

Huawei having fabs makes no difference, building A chip industry is not the job of one firm. It is the job of multiple companies and also the governments. If your ship is sinking, you can bail out the water as fast as you can, but it will still sink if your teammates are not helping.
 

free_6ix9ine

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Only way to overcome sanctions is to control the most technological challenging parts of the supply chain. Other stuff just import it, ie. chip packaging etc.
 

nastya1

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You cant bootleg equipment, every asml machine is connected via the internet to ASML servers. If asml shuts off that connection. Your machine can't do anything.

Huawei having fabs makes no difference, building A chip industry is not the job of one firm. It is the job of multiple companies and also the governments. If your ship is sinking, you can bail out the water as fast as you can, but it will still sink if your teammates are not helping.
Who tell. you an equipment can only work hooking to internet??
 
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