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manqiangrexue

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Aniah said:
I feel like all this ban on semiconductors to China will only accelerate the process that China builds it's own.
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Miscalculation by the US. Usually, it bullies countries by being the larger market; you give a business the choice to do business with American consumers or country X's consumers and any decision made with business sense will have to select the larger market, which is normally the US. That's how the US can put a ban on country X. This time, it followed the same equation on China likely without taking into account that China is the largest market in the world by far, consuming over 60% of the world's semiconductors. Now the result can only be American self-isolation as businesses find a way to keep the Chinese market even if it means they need to drop all the American tech out of their product. That global sentiment sees America as the aggressor disregarding damage done to the global economy in order to fuel its ugly fight to stay number 1 doesn't help either because everyone is sick and tired of listening to American restrictions.

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Times are changing. So all the China haters, doubters, and naysayers need to get used it.:)

America Is Alone in Its Cold War With China
This was a slap in the face to the U.S. officials who
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months lobbying their British counterparts to ban Huawei because of alleged security risks associated with its connections to the Chinese government. The Trump administration
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as to share classified intelligence with the United Kingdom indicating that Huawei could potentially spy on and disrupt foreign networks—a claim Huawei denies.
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AssassinsMace

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In a new
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on U.S. policy toward China, the Center for a New American Security noted that while U.S. partners generally don’t want to be part of a new international system led by an authoritarian China, they also cannot ignore Beijing as a mammoth “economic opportunity and geographic reality.” Any American strategy needs to recognize that, the authors advised.
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Well no duh the US wants to lead the international system so they can control everyone and everything and no duh they can't ignore China's market. For the US there can't be a decoupling between China and the US because they need to be in control of everything. China being independent from the US means they're not in control of everything. The idea of decoupling is just a threat in hopes China will submit. They want to believe China fears it more because like I've said before in here, Americans see everything as everyone else does more or they do it less, whichever is worse. If they fear decoupling, China has to fear it more. China being independent means the US isn't in control of everything which makes them upset. Why? Because if there is an alternative out there that means there's a choice. They don't want others having choices. Ironic because they're the ones that are suppose to be about freedom of choice. That's why the propaganda that China is the one that wants to control everything. China wants to control everything more than Americans and that's why the world should turn their backs on China. If Americans kill someone, no one should hold that against them because the Chinese would've eventually killed that person even more. That's how their logic works.
 
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ougoah

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The elites who manage these programs against China have really begun to up the ante. One could only conclude that China presents itself as a genuinely existential threat to the power of these elite circles. Hence the coming out and directly saying that China is the greatest threat to the world. An idiotic and criminally manipulative statement. People should tally it all and spend the effort to understand both sides and see how uneven such a statement actually is.

I beg to differ when it comes to these claims about China swinging many US allies. All I see on the media in the last year is China this, China that. One single issue will have multiple articles posted spanning multiple weeks sometimes months just to hammer in the message and solidify the brainwashing. The reality is most "western" ally nations of the US are totally against China and even when their political and corporate leaders wish to cosy up to China and go against the wishes of the beast, these individuals fear the repercussions. They don't want to end up like the Marconi engineers who were slaughtered by the US or like Epstein. Silenced, met with unfortunate accidents, or suicided with three bullets to the skull. They will NOT go against their masters for more reasons than self preservation. China can AT BEST hope to maintain the current status quo which still favours it over the long term. I see trends reversing though and these US allies eventually decoupling whatever the costs.

China greatest hope is to continue improving itself, attempt to dominate or become a stakeholder in emerging technologies (almost impossible if it's on its own), and assisting the development of neutral or pro-China countries and societies. It's been doing all three of these since the early 2000s with the groundwork allowing for these since the cultural revolution when it truly became independent of the rule of the elites. Russia, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, also happen to be pretty politically independent nations and just so happen to be the "enemy states/regimes" conveniently ignoring the handful of Communist and authoritarian countries who are happy US bootlickers or the true human rights violators e.g. Saudi Arabia, one example with the greatest scale of violations and atrocities... rarely a focus. Even India is beginning to feel the wrath of the west but if it doesn't align itself more properly with the US diktat, they may start voicing "concerns" about India's current riots/protests, Kashmir, caste and hints on "degenerate culture" like it does with China's authoritarianism and censorship etc *inset appropriate criticism.

The world's elites truly are like organised crime families fighting over turf. However the Americans are dominant and have most effectively utilised the power of propaganda and brainwashing. All those lessons learned from wrestling with the third reich and the USSR seem to have paid off.
 
AssassinsMace

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ougoah said:
The elites who manage these programs against China have really begun to up the ante. One could only conclude that China presents itself as a genuinely existential threat to the power of these elite circles. Hence the coming out and directly saying that China is the greatest threat to the world. An idiotic and criminally manipulative statement. People should tally it all and spend the effort to understand both sides and see how uneven such a statement actually is.

I beg to differ when it comes to these claims about China swinging many US allies. All I see on the media in the last year is China this, China that. One single issue will have multiple articles posted spanning multiple weeks sometimes months just to hammer in the message and solidify the brainwashing. The reality is most "western" ally nations of the US are totally against China and even when their political and corporate leaders wish to cosy up to China and go against the wishes of the beast, these individuals fear the repercussions. They don't want to end up like the Marconi engineers who were slaughtered by the US or like Epstein. Silenced, met with unfortunate accidents, or suicided with three bullets to the skull. They will NOT go against their masters for more reasons than self preservation. China can AT BEST hope to maintain the current status quo which still favours it over the long term. I see trends reversing though and these US allies eventually decoupling whatever the costs.

China greatest hope is to continue improving itself, attempt to dominate or become a stakeholder in emerging technologies (almost impossible if it's on its own), and assisting the development of neutral or pro-China countries and societies. It's been doing all three of these since the early 2000s with the groundwork allowing for these since the cultural revolution when it truly became independent of the rule of the elites. Russia, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, also happen to be pretty politically independent nations and just so happen to be the "enemy states/regimes" conveniently ignoring the handful of Communist and authoritarian countries who are happy US bootlickers or the true human rights violators e.g. Saudi Arabia, one example with the greatest scale of violations and atrocities... rarely a focus. Even India is beginning to feel the wrath of the west but if it doesn't align itself more properly with the US diktat, they may start voicing "concerns" about India's current riots/protests, Kashmir, caste and hints on "degenerate culture" like it does with China's authoritarianism and censorship etc *inset appropriate criticism.

The world's elites truly are like organised crime families fighting over turf. However the Americans are dominant and have most effectively utilised the power of propaganda and brainwashing. All those lessons learned from wrestling with the third reich and the USSR seem to have paid off.
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Yes even with Trump as leader of the "free" world, traditional US allies will still side with the US. US allies could've easily led an alliance to rein-in Trump but they did nothing of the sort. They stood by to see how China handled Trump. If China surrendered to Trump, they would've used the same tactics as Trump in negotiating with China. That's why China should not rely on them either because they would've been happy if Trump had raped China.
 
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Shaolian

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Oppo, Vivo, Realme and OnePlus are all under the same parent company, BBK Electronics (步步高電子). Together, they equal Huawei's (together with its sub-brand, Honor) 40% of the Chinese smartphone market. So, they would have the motivation and certainly, the resources to develop their own in-house chipset. But as we can see, "designing" one's own chipset is just one rung of the whole telecommunications ladder. Nevertheless, this is the right step forward for any Chinese entity that is serious in their ambition to be the best.

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We’ve seen several brands attempt to produce their own smartphone chipsets over the years, with varying levels of success. But Oppo seems to think the time is right for a processor of its own.

Oppo’s leadership circulated an internal memo revealing plans for a so-called “Mariana Plan,” CNBeta reported. The Mariana Plan (supposedly a nod to the world’s deepest ocean trench) confirms that the company is working on in-house chip efforts.

Read: Who is BBK, the world’s second largest phone manufacturer?

The initiative is reportedly led by a technical committee headed by a former technical director at Qualcomm. Furthermore, CNBeta says OnePlus and Realme engineers have joined the custom processor initiative as well.

The involvement of OnePlus and Realme staff suggests that the project is more than just a diversion. OnePlus and Realme have both used Oppo’s designs and tech know-how over the years. It’s also worth noting that Oppo previously announced plans to spend ~$7 billion on research and development over the next three years.

Is this Oppo’s insurance policy?
“Our ultimate goal of making chips is to serve our customers well. This is a long-term investment, not to compete with our partners,” Oppo was quoted as saying by C114 News (machine-translated). The company stressed that Qualcomm and MediaTek were still partners that Oppo “attaches special importance to,” so we likely can’t expect an overnight change.

Nevertheless, news of an in-house chip design effort by Oppo comes as Huawei continues to suffer under the US trade ban against it. Huawei was unable to use Qualcomm chips as a result of this ban, turning to its in-house designs and MediaTek instead.

Oppo has much more to lose if were to face a similar ban, as it’s reliant on Qualcomm silicon for most of its flagships and has no custom SoC division. Developing an in-house chip takes years though, so the Chinese brand wouldn’t be able to simply swap out Qualcomm processors for its own silicon at the drop of a hat.

The likes of Realme and OnePlus could also potentially be affected by a Huawei-style trade ban, so it makes sense for these companies to contribute some resources and/or expertise to Oppo’s effort.

We’ve contacted Oppo to clarify the story but the firm has refused to comment on the matter. Do you think they can challenge other chip companies? Give us your thoughts in the comments.
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I think the author is over thinking on Huawei's inability to use Quallcomm's chips.The Kirin chips are every bit as good as their Quallcomm's counterparts.

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Apple, Samsung, and Huawei have all developed custom chipsets over the years. This has allowed them to reduce dependence on companies such as Qualcomm and MediaTek, and now three other smartphone brands could follow in these footsteps.

According to a new report by CNBeta, Oppo executives recently circulated an internal memo that reveals plans for a so-called “Mariana Plan.” The latter is apparently a nod to the world’s deepest ocean trench and details the company’s work on future in-house chipsets.

The initiative is reportedly led by a technical committee headed by a former technical director at Qualcomm, which is rather ironically one of Oppo’s biggest chipset suppliers at the moment.

To help speed up the entire process, OnePlus and Realme engineers have reportedly joined the team too. This suggests Oppo is working towards new chipset designs that can be used by all of its subsidiaries too.

Speaking to C114 News recently, Oppo revealed that its ultimately goal of making chips is to serve customers well. It, nevertheless, stressed that the move is a long-term investment rather than an attempt to compete with Qualcomm and MediaTek, who are still very much partners of Oppo.

Oppo previously announced plans to spend approximately $7 billion on research and development over the next three years, a huge chunk of which will probably be used to develop future in-house chipsets for Oppo, OnePlus, and Realme smartphones.
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Shaolian said:
Oppo, Vivo, Realme and OnePlus are all under the same parent company, BBK Electronics (步步高電子). Together, they equal Huawei's (together with its sub-brand, Honor) 40% of the Chinese smartphone market. So, they would have the motivation and certainly, the resources to develop their own in-house chipset. But as we can see, "designing" one's own chipset is just one rung of the whole telecommunications ladder. Nevertheless, this is the right step forward for any Chinese entity that is serious in their ambition to be the best.

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I think the author is over thinking on Huawei's inability to use Quallcomm's chips.The Kirin chips are every bit as good as their Quallcomm's counterparts.

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But what company is the fabricator? The chain is only truly under control if it's SMIC at this point.
 
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Shaolian

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manqiangrexue said:
But what company is the fabricator? The chain is only truly under control if it's SMIC at this point.
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Not mentioned in the articles. They did mentioned that Oppo announced "plans to spend $7 billion on research and development over the next three years". If that's how long it'll take them to design their chips, I wonder if the Chinese domestic fabricators would be ready to manufacture them by then. In any case, Chinese branded smartphones represented 40% of current world market share, so if all of them are to use domestic chips, then this'll level the playing field as far as resources to further R&D, and we'll see how well Qualcomm competes then.
 
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