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Chish

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no wonder the Russians went through so much trouble to get him elected. Did China buy 24 Su-35 at premium prices as payment for its part to Russia for this service?
Too imaginative, but I like it. Only Johnson has the balls to stand up against Trump among the 5-Eyes. Another Sign of authoritarian and losing control, just like Trump latest and grandest Middle East Peace plan. It is causing more turmoir than peace.
 

Tam

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Alibaba's and Tecent's virtual office apps have become big stars after the virus outbreak. Using them for schools to do homework and teaching remotely is similar to what Google Docs is doing with schools using Chromebooks.

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localizer

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Alibaba's and Tecent's virtual office apps have become big stars after the virus outbreak. Using them for schools to do homework and teaching remotely is similar to what Google Docs is doing with schools using Chromebooks.

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Maybe we should just all transition to work from home if possible.
 

manqiangrexue

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Let the great American desperation-fueled self-incriminating and self-foot-shooting begin!

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WhatsApp seized on US allegations against Huawei to defend encryption against the government's demands for backdoors
  • Earlier this week US officials accused Chinese tech giant Huawei of spying for the Chinese government by using telecoms backdoors designed for use by law enforcement.
  • WhatsApp seized on the story as an example of why it shouldn't build backdoors in its encrypted messaging for law enforcement.
  • WhatsApp and its parent company Facebook have been fighting off US government demands to build methods for law enforcement to infiltrate encrypted messaging.
The US government may have shot itself in the foot in its ongoing struggle to make tech companies give it access to encrypted messages and devices.

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The US says Huawei has been spying through 'back doors' designed for law enforcement — which is what the US has been pressuring tech companies to do for years
  • The US government accused Huawei of spying on people by exploiting telecoms "back doors" intended for use by law enforcement,
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  • The US has repeatedly accused Huawei of spying for the Chinese government, but this is the first detail it's given about how it thinks Huawei does it. Huawei has denied the allegations.
  • The US has for years been pressuring tech companies like Apple and Facebook to build vulnerabilities for law enforcement to access encrypted devices and messages.
  • Tech companies have argued against building back doors, saying malicious actors would be able to exploit them.
 

AndrewS

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In the long-run, someone will end up supplying the Chinese market.

And given the size of the Chinese market, that generates the profits for R&D spending.



Trump Effort to Keep U.S. Tech Out of China Alarms American Firms


The administration wants to protect national security by restricting the flow of technology to China. But technology companies worry it could undermine them instead.

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Companies, along with the lawyers and consultants who advise them, say firms increasingly have no choice but to locate more research and development outside the United States, to ensure that they have uninterrupted access to China, a fast-growing consumer market and the center of the global electronics supply chain. New investment dollars are being funneled to research hubs near University of Waterloo in Canada, as well as Israel, Britain and other places beyond the reach of the American government, they say.

“Anyone who thinks our concerns are exaggerated should talk to the U.S. semiconductor industry workers who are already losing their jobs due to walling off our largest market,” said John Neuffer, the president and chief executive of the Semiconductor Industry Association, which represents chip makers. “Revenue from that big market fuels our big research investments, which allows us to innovate and drive America’s economic growth and national security.”

The RISC-V Foundation, a nonprofit that has created an open-source software standard for the chips that power smartphones and other electronics, acknowledged in recent months that it had chosen to move its incorporation from Delaware to Switzerland because of concerns from its members about more stringent regulations in the United States.

“If this administration proceeds with the current trajectory, we’ll see more defections of companies, of scientists,” said Scott Jones, a nonresident fellow with the Stimson Center. “They’ll take their toys and they’ll go elsewhere, and other economies will be the beneficiary of that.”
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While tech companies found a way around the initial Huawei ban, the administration is
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. A new proposal would extend the reach of the U.S. government to regulate products made around the world, prohibiting companies from using American components and technologies in foreign-made products that are then supplied to Huawei.

The proposals have set off panic within the technology industry, which fears the new restrictions will hamper its ability to tap into the Chinese market. Industry lawyers and trade groups have begun warning that, unless the administration can persuade its allies to adopt similar restrictions, companies will decide the safest course is to try to limit their use of American technology.

Critics point to past incidents where tight regulation pushed American industries offshore — including machine tool makers in the 1990s, and commercial satellites in the 2000s. While it is illegal for companies to move existing operations abroad to try to circumvent export control rules, there are no such constraints on new investments
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In recent months, some Chinese companies have begun asking their suppliers to certify that their products are made with a minimal amount of American content, so they are not at risk from American export controls, people familiar with the conversations say.
 

AssassinsMace

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US sports writers said that the NBA has all the leverage against China because they claim the people of China will revolt against the government if they're denied the NBA. China still has a ban on showing NBA games on television networks. Americans would rather believe in whatever perpetuates their belief in their own superiority than reality. Just like believing in denying China technology will stop China cold. Trump already believed that starting a trade war with China on day one China would surrender. What they all have in common is they want to believe everyone needs them and without them everyone else would collapse because they're that more important than everyone else. In the end of the article the supporters of ban tech to China tell US companies the need to accept short term revenue loss is warranted meaning it's another game of chicken where they would rather believe that China will yield because China needs the US more.
 

AndrewS

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US sports writers said that the NBA has all the leverage against China because they claim the people of China will revolt against the government if they're denied the NBA. China still has a ban on showing NBA games on television networks. Americans would rather believe in whatever perpetuates their belief in their own superiority than reality. Just like believing in denying China technology will stop China cold. Trump already believed that starting a trade war with China on day one China would surrender. What they all have in common is they want to believe everyone needs them and without them everyone else would collapse because they're that more important than everyone else. In the end of the article the supporters of ban tech to China tell US companies the need to accept short term revenue loss is warranted meaning it's another game of chicken where they would rather believe that China will yield because China needs the US more.

Sports is just one example, yes.

But the bigger picture is China has a larger market than the USA, for most categories of goods and services.
For example, half of the world's electronics pass through China or China consumers buy more smartphones than the rest of the developed world.

If a company isn't in China, the market is going to go with Chinese or other foreign companies.

Those companies then have China as:
1. hyper-efficient, low-cost, super-fast production base
2. potentially the same advantages for Research & Product Development
3. plus the sales and profits to fund that future technology development

The US banning technology exports to China is likely to result in both short-term AND long-term damage to the US technology industry.

If in a few years, the other Chinese smartphone companies continue to move away from Qualcomm - Qualcomm will die as a company.
That would probably result in an overall net benefit to the world, given Qualcomm's abuse of its FRAND patents.
Qualcomm is the only one that charges a percentage of the smartphone price, rather than the flat fee that Microsoft, Huawei, Ericsson, Nokia charge.
 

AndrewS

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Based on the news below, the de-Americanisation of the semiconductor industry is going to accelerate even more.

It looks like a 0% threshold of American content, just for Huawei.


Trump administration is reportedly weighing limits to China’s access to chip technology

  • The Commerce Department is considering requiring chip factories globally to obtain licenses if they want to use American equipment to create chips for Huawei, The Wall Street Journal reported.
  • The Trump administration is trying to cut off China’s access to the U.S. semiconductors, one of China’s largest imports from America.
  • The proposed changes have not been reviewed by President Donald Trump, according to the Journal.

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AndrewS

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This is interesting.

Xlinix expect Huawei to permanently shift its FPGA purchases to a China-based supplier in 2020.

And the biz doesn't expect the situation with Huawei to get any better: even if the ban was lifted this year, the Chinese giant will have shifted to an alternative supplier on its home soil.

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