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sanblvd said:
Lets put it this way, according to the Western Media China is already that and more, there is literally nothing China can do that is alright, China is already bullying Philippine and Vietnam, China is already forcefully taking over Dotlam, China is already occupying Tibet, China is already repressing its 1.3 billion people bla bla bla. The West have already tarnished China's imagine for more than 20 years and they will continue to do so regardless of China's action peaceful or not so peaceful. I live in US and you have no idea how many time people told me how lucky I am to be here or joke that I eat dogs and cats.

So basically the West is so stupid that they have been crying wolf for the past 20 years so in effect it have already created a secondary effect that people already expect China to be evil... so why not do a bit actual evil things, what can the West media do? Cry more wolfs? And this make a difference in people's mind.. how? I say build the river and let it be damned.

Lets put it with another example, before aung san suu kyi took over as Myanmar's leader, Myanmar's military government has one of the worst reputation in Western media, so when they kill people the West condemn them as usual but they may only dial up the notch in its reporting if at all. Now that aung san suu kyi is president and she does the EXACT SAME THING to those rebels, and that's why you see the West is throwing a sisi fit over it, because she the Nobel peace prize winner, icon of peace and democracy bla bla bla is suppose to not do do that, therefore you saw so many article and media coverage of this recently. If she was NOT in charge, if the military were still in charge and Myanmar did the same thing, I highly doubt you see the same freakout from the media. Same principle for West's crying wolf of China for past 20 years.

PS. I think you missed my point when I said when it build it won't automatically threaten other country, if China only divert very little water for each year then China benefits and other people wont' notice, but it does give China the option hold leverage over others.
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The thinking that "since I'm already a bad person in others' eyes, I don't care anymore and will just do what they think I will do" is not what a responsible power should do. I honestly don't think China is thinking in that way at all. In my opinion, China holds itself to a much higher standard than that.

China is doing everything it can to preserve a peaceful image, without compromising its own bottomline of course. What Western media says does not influence China's decision-making. If China continues to be a responsible power, the public opinion will turn around. I am watching some political shows in Taiwan and am pleasantly shocked at how much public opinion toward Chinese Mainland has changed in Taiwan. The same thing will happen elsewhere if China simply does the honorable things that it always does. On the other hand, China will fall into a trap, a self-fulfilling trap, if China simply stops caring and starts to do irresponsible things.

sanblvd said:
PS. I think you missed my point when I said when it build it won't automatically threaten other country, if China only divert very little water for each year then China benefits and other people wont' notice, but it does give China the option hold leverage over others.
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It's not whether people will notice, but the implication of what you are doing.

China is now focusing on creating win-win situations and attempting to convince everyone in the world that "if you side with China, you will win". The water diverting thing is not such a move. In my opinion, this is simply a crazy story published in SCMP...
 
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Captain
vesicles said:
China is doing everything it can to preserve a peaceful image, without compromising its own bottomline of course. What Western media says does not influence China's decision-making. If China continues to be a responsible power, the public opinion will turn around. I am watching some political shows in Taiwan and am pleasantly shocked at how much public opinion toward Chinese Mainland has changed in Taiwan.
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That is interesting. Let's see if I have got this right, the current govt was elected as a result of KMT political shenanigans and people thought the KMT was taking Taiwan too close to China and now its swinging back to a more favorable view on China?
 
solarz

solarz

Brigadier
manqiangrexue said:
The more I think about this project, the more benign and non-weaponized it looks.

First of all, the Brahmaputra only irrigates East India, an area that mainland India only wants to control but doesn't care about the prosperity of. Then, according to Hendrik, 70% of the water comes from local Indian rainfall anyway so even if the entire flow from China were to be stopped (which I don't think is even possible), it'd still have 70%, which I assume could toss things around, but is not immediately life-threatening to those in India. Thirdly, in order to do a little damage to India, China would have to put Bangladesh on the grill big time because Bangladesh is completely reliant on the Brahmaputra and that would be China turning friends into enemies; that's a Donald Trump move, not Xi Jinping at all. There are many ways to deal with India but diverting water from the Brahmaputra seems one of the worst and least effective "weapons."

Rather, if this project comes to fruition, I believe that China would use this most wisely to only benefit itself without using it as a weapon against anyone. China would carefully measure the water that can be taken from the river without causing significant stress to downstream ecosystems thus slowly irrigating Xinjiang into "California" without damaging East India or Bangladesh. Just a big win for China with no losers. I think this is the designed purpose of the project and that's how it will move forward.
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Oh I'm sure a lot of this is just fear-mongering claptrap by a sensationalist tabloid. I rather suspect that if this was actually to be carried out, we'd be seeing an entirely different set of problems.

First of all, how much water would you need? How much desert are you planning to irrigate? I've been to Xinjiang, and I've see fields of cotton (which are very water hungry crops) planted in an otherwise desert landscape, made possible because of ground water.

The technical hurdles is not only how to get the water there, but how to use that water once there.
 
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Colonel
B.I.B. said:
That is interesting. Let's see if I have got this right, the current govt was elected as a result of KMT political shenanigans and people thought the KMT was taking Taiwan too close to China and now its swinging back to a more favorable view on China?
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KMT is actually very pro-Mainland. I was shocked how positive the KMT is towards the CCP at those political talk shows. I had no idea...

I guess I was very ignorant of the political environment in Taiwan... I thought KMT was still very hostile towards the mainland...
 
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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
solarz said:
Oh I'm sure a lot of this is just fear-mongering claptrap by a sensationalist tabloid. I rather suspect that if this was actually to be carried out, we'd be seeing an entirely different set of problems.

First of all, how much water would you need? How much desert are you planning to irrigate? I've been to Xinjiang, and I've see fields of cotton (which are very water hungry crops) planted in an otherwise desert landscape, made possible because of ground water.

The technical hurdles is not only how to get the water there, but how to use that water once there.
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I think that question has been answer long time ago Israel has successfully tamed the dessert and converting wasteland into bountiful agriculture farm land using drip water technology China too now are using the same technology under the guidance of the israeli
Technology conquer nature and Israeli use it to great effect Yes the Jew has turned dessert into land of milk and honey fulfilling the prophet prophesy
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Drip, also called micro-irrigation, was the first watering innovation in thousands of years. Instead of flooding the fields with prodigious amounts of water and fertilizer, much of which get wasted, small amounts of both are dripped directly onto the plant's roots.
Netafim, which makes drip irrigation technology, says the technique saves 25%-75% pumped water compared to flood, on average. So,the farmer uses less water, fertilizer and sometimes pesticides, and is happy. The aquifers suffer less chemical pollution. The crops yield more (about 15%, say Netafim and some experts) and food prices drop, so the consumer is happy.
Everyone is happy, except some academics, who would like proof. Prof. Frank Ward of the New Mexico State University Department of Agricultural Economics and Agricultural Business does, for one. "What we have found is that as a consequence of putting water on the crops more precisely – actual water consumption can go up," Ward told Haaretz.
Man has been irrigating his fields by flooding them since farming was invented over 12,000 years ago. Some of the water soaking the land is used by crops, some evaporates, some sinks in and recharges the aquifer.
Everyone and his dog agrees that drip irrigation is one of "Startup Nation" Israel's greatest inventions. Actually it was invented by a former government official named Simcha Blass, who sold the rights to Netafim. The company says that compared with flood irrigation, drip even causes rice and tomatoes to emit less greenhouse gases and nitrous oxide – emissions of which have been associated with deadly algae blooms. These days there are even technologies to fine-tune drip, for instance sensors that, when stuck into a tree, measure the actual plant's water stress, rather than that of the soil by the root.
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I am also with Sanblvd It doesn't matter what China did or did not the western world still hostile to her not because of specific action that China did but because of strategic competition They know sooner or latter China will eat the west lunch and created unemployment and loss of market
Vietnam and China is not friendly because China refrain from action in SCS China didn't The building of island continue

But those countries realized that in the long run their interest better serve by having better relation with China
India will always hostile and suspicious no matter what because she feel like she is the anointed super power but fail to realized it while at the same time looking at booming Chinese economy
 
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solarz

Brigadier
Hendrik_2000 said:
I think that question has been answer long time ago Israel has successfully tamed the dessert and converting wasteland into bountiful agriculture farm land using drip water technology China too now are using the same technology under the guidance of the israeli
Technology conquer nature and Israeli use it to great effect Yes the Jew has turned dessert into land of milk and honey fulfilling the prophet prophesy
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Just because something works in one place doesn't mean it will work in another. Not saying it is impossible by any means, but the geology of Israel and Xinjiang are pretty different. Xinjiang is also a lot bigger than Israel.
 
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Captain
vesicles said:
KMT is actually very pro-Mainland. I was shocked how positive the KMT is towards the CCP at those political talk shows. I had no idea...

I guess I was very ignorant of the political environment in Taiwan... I thought KMT was still very hostile towards the mainland...
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Oh,I thought support for the current government which advocates independence was waning
 
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Janiz

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You're confusing two terms - Taiwanese like making money in mainland as it's really big market but their views on independence hasn't changed at all in the recent years.
 
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Equation

Lieutenant General
Janiz said:
You're confusing two terms - Taiwanese like making money in mainland as it's really big market but their views on independence hasn't changed at all in the recent years.
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Neither is the views of a billion+ hasn't changed in mainland China where Taiwan is still a part of the PRC.
 
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