It's from SCMP, so you know the "credibility".
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Hendrik_2000
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That is not the case read the original article from SCMP or here
The Yunnan tunnel is technological demonstration to see if it feasible to build it within reasonable cost .
This kind of project has been talked about for years dated back from Qing dynasty. But not feasible due to enormous cost and technological bottle neck
But recent advances make it possible So it is not the question of if but when
The pay off is just immense Xinjiang the size of Australia only has 20 million people Sichuan which way much smaller with difficult mountainous terrain has 90 million people.
Chinese heartland is overcrowded they need lebensraum and Xinjiang is the best place.
It has been Chinese policy since Qing time when they created Bingtuan (farmer, soldier, settler and frontier guardsman). They still exist today in fact most of the cities,company,farm cooperative in Xinjiang are founded by these people Mao send many of demobilized Korean war soldier to Xinjiang too
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solarz
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I would be careful there. The motivations of an imperial dynasty can be different from the motivations of a republic.
The Qing were mainly motivated by security concerns, mainly domestic. They feared rebellion from both the Han and the Hui, so settling Han in Xinjiang was killing two birds with one stone.
The Chinese republic is motivated by economic concerns. Xinjiang has rich natural resources that can yield a wealth of bounty if properly exploited.
The Chinese heartland is crowded, but not overcrowded. The population density is both a challenge and a resource. China's economic miracle would not have been possible without that density.
The development of Xinjiang is an economic enterprise. Obviously it would be wonderful if the Gobi desert could be turned into an oasis, but the SCMP article glosses over major technical hurdles. For one thing, even if you could divert the head-river 1000 km, you still have to deal with irrigation and evaporation. You also need more than just water for agriculture, you need organic matter. Xinjiang already has some very productive agricultural centers, I can see the number of those centers expanded, but it's not really going to turn the entire desert into an oasis.
Ok, so the source of all this is from businessinsider.com? In case of subject about "China and India", I don't trust businessinsider either. Actually I think SCMP is less capable of coming up with original fantasies than its western counterpart. Maybe that's only me, but I put a huge load of salt in anything from western media regarding China or "China vs. anybody".
Back to the story. I trust Chinese domestic source more than western or Hong Kong. Here is a more detailed Baidu article.
As it is a wiki like thing, one should not take it as authoritive either, but it does give much more detail about the whole "water project" in China. If you read it, you can see that so far the only thing regarding the western section in plan has nothing to do with the "Indian threatening" tunnel. Taking water from Yarlung Zangbo river is a subject being thought about by some people, but it is far far away from anything serious.
One should not take a far fetched idea too seriously. I am not dismissing its possibility in a long long time later, but I won't put much weight into it either. Giving undue attention is IMO only to stir up unnecessary tension which (the stirring) is probably the real purpose of the businessinsider's true purpose rather than praising Chinese achievement.
Now here comes something solid
KZ-11 solid rocket to be launched in 2018. The key point is that the rocket casing is made of Carbon Fiber at 2.2 meters in diameter.
The other rocket in the world I know of being made of Carbon Fiber is P180 for Vega at a diameter of 3.4m, followed by its predecessor P80 at 3.05m.
The next Chinese carbon fiber rocket will be at 4.2m becoming the biggest in the world if nobody come up with a even bigger one.
KZ-11 solid rocket to be launched in 2018. The key point is that the rocket casing is made of Carbon Fiber at 2.2 meters in diameter.
The other rocket in the world I know of being made of Carbon Fiber is P180 for Vega at a diameter of 3.4m, followed by its predecessor P80 at 3.05m.
The next Chinese carbon fiber rocket will be at 4.2m becoming the biggest in the world if nobody come up with a even bigger one.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
I don't think so The Han migration is due to depopulation of Xinjiang caused by Dzunghar genocide perpetrated by the Qing. After rebellion by rebellion finally they say enough is enough they kill every Dzunghar on site, man, woman, child with no mercy.
In order to repopulate the Xinjiang The Qing forced migration of Han, Uyghur, Kazakh and Hui into Xinjiang
They divide the Xinjiang into 2 region north and south
The north is settled by the Han , Hui, Kazakh atc
The south is settled by the Uyghur This division still exist today that is why Urumqi is predominantly Han and Hui. The Uyghur are the migrant here not the other way around.
Qing send their own kin the Xibe to guard the frontier It is a long march to Xinjiang using nothing else but ox cart and horses. You can see it in the museum
They perform splendidly beating the Kossack and prevent Russian from encroaching Qing territory . They are still there today In fact they are the only Manchu speaking people around today.
As to water evaporation the native of Xinjiang find a better way to preserve it it is called Karez
And I don't see why they the could not use the same system only now modernized
Evaporation is not a problem here!
BTW this is not SCMP pipe dream it is initiated by Chinese academy of science and SCMP only quoted their finding. Over the years I see a lot of crazy idea one of them is to blow up the Himalaya with atom bomb to create gap and allowing moisture air and rain into Xinjiang . So this tunnel is the most realistic and doable plan
Nobody said they will built it tomorrow but within 5 to 10 years it will be realized no doubt about that The temptation is jut too much
Water is the essence of life without it there is no farm, cities and factory. so in order to entice more Han immigration . they need to ensure the supply of water as is now the supply of water cannot support large popupation in Xinjiang
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
This is not fantasy at all You need to read the original SCMP report . SCMP merely quoted the Chinese researcher from Chinese academy of science it is not SCMP pipe dream
Nobody said this is on going project So of course it does not show in CURRENT project.Your argument does not make sense at all
Just because you don't like the message does not mean you have to kill the messenger
There is no internationally sanction law on the sharing of water that I know of Most of the agreement are bilateral pact between concerning states like between Jordan and Isarel
There is UN frame work to share water but it not a law that everybody sign on
As far as I know there is no water agreement between China and India So where is this " creating tension come from" ?
Contrary to popular belief in India, up to 70% of the comes from rainfall collected in India
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First of all, I am not saying China should make an agreement before starting a project inside China, don't interpret me in that way.
Secondly, SCMP quoted ONE researcher from China, there are MANY such researchers in China. You can see that from the Beidu article that I provided. Everybody can come up with a super project, myself and you included, BUT if that project remained ONLY convincing to me or you, you would have known its true value. Does this make more sense?
It has nothing to do with like or not, neither am I intended to kill anyone, I just want to point out how far away from meaningful attention the message deserves.
That's all I have to say.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Who builds a 600km ‘test’ tunnel to prepare for a 1000km ‘real’ one? At 60% of the length, it’s not a test but an entirely different project!
The whole article seems like a carefully crafty lore to poke one of India’s biggest fears of China turning off their taps.
It is something China could quite easily do, but that would be an existential threat to India, so would not be a step to take lightly. As it would be stupid to not expect India to push back hard against any such move, legality be damned!
And such a move would not just affect India, so would effectively rally all downstream nations against China.
If one wanted to build an Asian-NATO against China, it would be hard to of a better rallying call now that the SCS-trade banner has flopped.
Which is probably why some CIA strategists has been busy trying to manufacture this story and planted it in murkily funded foreign based Chinese language ‘news’ sites that are mostly blocked in mainland China (has anyone seriously wondered how the business model of these ‘news’ sites would even work when they are banned in their only key target country? Without money ‘magically’ appearing out of Uncle Sam’s Magic Endless Money Printing Press, how would such operarions be economically sustainable?).
Which, you can bet the foreign media will uniformly only report as ‘according to Chinese language reports’, with a few choicely placed reminders of how ‘Beijing tightly controls the news’ with ‘government mouthpiece’ publications to give the overwhelming impression that these reports were from a direct line from President Xi’s mouth while technically not explicitly having said so themselves.
The whole article seems like a carefully crafty lore to poke one of India’s biggest fears of China turning off their taps.
It is something China could quite easily do, but that would be an existential threat to India, so would not be a step to take lightly. As it would be stupid to not expect India to push back hard against any such move, legality be damned!
And such a move would not just affect India, so would effectively rally all downstream nations against China.
If one wanted to build an Asian-NATO against China, it would be hard to of a better rallying call now that the SCS-trade banner has flopped.
Which is probably why some CIA strategists has been busy trying to manufacture this story and planted it in murkily funded foreign based Chinese language ‘news’ sites that are mostly blocked in mainland China (has anyone seriously wondered how the business model of these ‘news’ sites would even work when they are banned in their only key target country? Without money ‘magically’ appearing out of Uncle Sam’s Magic Endless Money Printing Press, how would such operarions be economically sustainable?).
Which, you can bet the foreign media will uniformly only report as ‘according to Chinese language reports’, with a few choicely placed reminders of how ‘Beijing tightly controls the news’ with ‘government mouthpiece’ publications to give the overwhelming impression that these reports were from a direct line from President Xi’s mouth while technically not explicitly having said so themselves.