News on China's scientific and technological development.

Infra_Man99 said:

India and Brazil are advancing quickly, but I think they are overrated by many US and EU analysts. To compare China to India or Brazil is ridiculous. In some ways, India and Brazil are way ahead of China, but in most ways, I think China is slightly ahead or far ahead. In my very humble and limited experience, China's advancement across a full range of topics is vastly superior to India's or Brazil's. The amazing thing is how China has been facing containment strategies and tactics by the US and the EU for a long time, while India and Brazil has received neutral or friendly treatment from the US and the EU.

Look at how India and Brazil have higher security access in various fields than China. Look at how the US and EU corporate media and governments are constantly blackballing or smearing China, while they turn a blind eye to India's internal problems (horribly corrupt democracy and crippled socio-economic system) and Brazil's domestic troubles (one half of the nation is stable and the other half is almost as screwed up as Africa). Despite the uneven playing field, China is, overall, more advance than India and Brazil.

Anyhow, I think China is GENERALLY way ahead of India and Brazil in science and technology, especially when you consider the antagonism China has been facing from the US superpower and the EU world power.

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bladerunner said:

If You really believed that, then might I suggest that the same powers will co-operate with japan or India to beat China as a space pioneering nation/or to the moon.

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Infra_Man99 said:

Anyhow, I think China is GENERALLY way ahead of India and Brazil in science and technology, especially when you consider the antagonism China has been facing from the US superpower and the EU world power.

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Infra_Man99 said:

I am not sure what you are saying here. Please clarify. Are you saying the US and the EU are working with Japan and India to develop a superior space program to China's?

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Something like that, IMO most people around would like to see China stumble in the race to the moon.

A few months ago I was listening to a BBC interview one of the last Astronauts to walk on the moon. I reckon he must have nearly short circuited his pacemaker when the suggestion was made that China could be the First country to return to the moon.
He said all steps should be taken to prevent the Chicoms. from being successful. Maybe if China seen as an antogonist to the Free world, this opinion may not be as prevalent.

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bladerunner said:

Something like that, IMO most people around would like to see China stumble in the race to the moon.

A few months ago I was listening to a BBC interview one of the last Astronauts to walk on the moon. I reckon he must have nearly short circuited his pacemaker when the suggestion was made that China could be the First country to return to the moon.
He said all steps should be taken to prevent the Chicoms. from being successful. Maybe if China seen as an antogonist to the Free world, this opinion may not be as prevalent.

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Lol what the people want (for their countries to team up and beat china to space, the moon, mars whatever...) and what their governments want (or rather what they are able to do; i.e.: co operation with china is more progressive than competing with it in many cases) is very different, but only one of them get to choose what to do unfortunately

Some countries, such as India obviously wants to beat China to the moon, in terms of government and populace. They've put a 2020 deadline or something... or a very competitive one at least (from waht i've read from wiki, but it's also a little unrealistic. I mean they've not independently put a dude in space yet... time is ticking), where as many other countries are less heated and far more conservative.
China's playing it cool and not getting ahead of itself until it's double and triple checked everything (we've heard no real official deadline for a moonlanding).

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bladerunner said:

Something like that, IMO most people around would like to see China stumble in the race to the moon.

A few months ago I was listening to a BBC interview one of the last Astronauts to walk on the moon. I reckon he must have nearly short circuited his pacemaker when the suggestion was made that China could be the First country to return to the moon.
He said all steps should be taken to prevent the Chicoms. from being successful. Maybe if China seen as an antogonist to the Free world, this opinion may not be as prevalent.

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Most people want to see China fail? Last time I checked, China is expanding friendly relations with nations around the world on every continent, which freaks out certain nations. Right now, the US is looking bad in the eyes of people in the Middle East and in many other worldwide regions due to the US making so many horrible errors in the recent years. The US war on terror has been a bloody failure. The US financial system has proven itself to be incapable of leading the world on its own. The US political system has lost lots of trust, even with the election of Obama (IMO, possibly one of the biggest puppets or useful idiots in the world). The future is unpredictable, but right now, China has improved worldwide relations dramatically while the US has been moving the opposite direction.

If you haven't noticed, the containment of China is failing despite tremendous efforts from the US government and some EU governments. China has been breaking down the containment by means of friendly relations: you respect my independence and I will respect your independence; you give me this, and I will give you that; no belligerence towards each other.

China is definitely FAAAR perfect, but right now, I wouldn't be surprise if most people have improving views on China, and most people see America's government as turning into a dishonest, bullying nation. I have been reading polls on international views on China over the past few years, and China's image is still negative, but China's image has been improving from very negative to around slightly negative. I don't know the accuracy or honesty of the polls, because they were all done by US and European organizations.

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bladerunner said:

I think Friendly relations govt to govt is different from wanting to see it achieve all its goals.

Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing the Union jack or the American Flag if I was in trouble anywhere around the world, but boy do i get great pleasure when the English rugby or soccer team goes down or a American basketball team get beaten

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vesicles said:

Like mentioned in the article, the increasing number of publication in China may be misleading. Many of the journals have low impact, or poor quality. Almost all international journals have "impact factor" that indicates the quality and impact of the journal. Journals like Science/Nature/Cell should have impact factors about 20-30's while PNAS is around 9-10. Most of the top-of-the-line journals in each specific field would have impact factors between 3 and 6, depending on the size of the field. A journal like Journal of organic chemistry is THE top-of-the-line journal for organic chemists, but its impact factor is only about 3.5 while Physical Review Letters, one of the top journals in physics has an impact factor of ~6.8. So there is some variation and the impact factor is not perfect. Anyway, no matter how small the field is, anything below 3 is low impact and anything below 1.5 is NOT even considered as peer-reviewed publication by many universities. These journals would be thought as "garbage cans" that takes anything that comes its way. In biology, you don't EVER want to send anything to these journals if you expect to become a faculty one day since even one publication in one these "garbage" journals would give people the impression that you tolerate low quality work and this would seriously tarnish your reputation. And if you look at Chinese journals, most of them have impact factors way below 1. Many of the papers get published because of personal connection with the editors or bribes. According to many of my Chinese colleagues who have done research in China in recent years, an estimated 80% of the publication has fake data. Of course, I certainly don't believe the number is this high, but the integrity of these publication is definitely questionable.

The reason I'm saying this is not to criticize China's research, but to remind people not to get overly excited about some misleading info. Although the article says India falls behind in terms of number of publication, many of these publications have been in high impact international journals. So in a way, India has higher quality publications and research programs.

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