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pla101prc

Senior Member
I took the MAGLEV train from Longyang station to Shanghai Pudong airport last June, the ride is just a bit shaky than normal Hong Kong electric train due to its high speed. However I overheard a lady from US saying the ride was very smooth, so it actually depends on your previous experience on train ride. And it is very quiet compare with other trains.

I paid 40 yuan for the 30KM ride which took about 8 minutes. There is a digital speed indicator at the top of cabin just below the door.

What actually amazed me was the time taken, 8 minutes to airport is fantastic.

Also, just few feets away next to Longyang MAGLEV station is an under-ground train station which conviniently take you to other parts of the city.

that thing is losing money for now, though in the long run i think it could be quite useful. given Shanghai's booming real estate price, there should be a lot of room for suburban development. so there is a lot of potential market for MAGLEV as a connection betweent he subarban areas and city centre.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
that thing is losing money for now, though in the long run i think it could be quite useful. given Shanghai's booming real estate price, there should be a lot of room for suburban development. so there is a lot of potential market for MAGLEV as a connection betweent he subarban areas and city centre.

Is this a German technology or Chinese indigenous technology ? .. if it is Chinese why it is called Maglev ?

Is it true there is no Maglev in Germany, because German simply couldn't afford it ? .. if it is true .. it is really really sad
 

pla101prc

Senior Member
Is this a German technology or Chinese indigenous technology ? .. if it is Chinese why it is called Maglev ?

Is it true there is no Maglev in Germany, because German simply couldn't afford it ? .. if it is true .. it is really really sad

i thought it was japanese...or french...or german...but yeah i think the same team who wanted to build this project in their own country didnt have the money.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The maglev running in Shanghai comes from Germany. Japanese and German maglev technology are different. China is supposedly developing an indigenous program that's different from both. I've seen pics of one hanging from a track but I think they've dropped that one. Since Germany would not transfer technology to make it less expensive for China while trying to use the Shanghai system to sell to other customers, Beijing cancelled extension of the current maglev to Hangzhou. Since then I believe some sort of negotiation did take place where Germany agreed to some transfer but I think the extension to Hangzhou is still not going to be maglev.

Here's a pic of Chinese made German tech maglev train.

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solarz

Brigadier
Im beginining to wonder whether they are nothing more than a waste of money,especially when they will not pay for themselves.The current showpiece being constructed, the Shanghai to Peking fast rail is estimated at $221 billion remmenbi.

"The average urban Chinese worker made 28,898 renminbi last year, a tenth of the $39,653 average wage in the United States, according data from the U.S. and Chinese governments.Most Chinese rail travelers will not pay the premium to ride on the fast trains, Zhao Jian, a professor of economics at Beijing Jiaotong University, said in a September interview on Chinese television.A second-class one-way ticket for the half-hour Beijing-Tianjin trip costs 58 renminbi, about three-quarters of the workers' average daily pay. A so-called hard-seat ticket on a slower train, which covers the distance in two hours, sells for 11 renminbi.----"

P.S> But then again its probably better than flying

Are you kidding me? The high-speed trains are the best improvements since sliced bread! A normal train takes over 4 hours to get from Shanghai to Hangzhou. A high speed one takes just under 2 hours. This means Shanghai residents can now afford to go to Hangzhou and return on the same day. It's a huge boom for tourism.

In addition to tourism, the increasing interconnectedness of China's vast territory improves domestic trade and decreases reliance on foreign exports.

What a lot of westerners fail to understand is that there is ALWAYS a surplus of demand for transportation to almost anywhere in China. It's not only the migrant workers, but also the businessmen, the students studying out of province, or even consultants who can now expand their businesses to other cities.

Also, investing in railroads is a great way to take more cars off the roads, and thus ensuring less pollution.
 
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pla101prc

Senior Member
the difference between the west and China here is that the west is already finished with industrialization and have established a fixed way of living, that includes traveling. so its hard to integrate a completely new element into the existing system. as for China there is still a long way to go in terms of urban development even for Shanghai, and some attributes of this project is certainly instrumental in overcoming some of China's problems such as regional demographics among other things
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Are you kidding me? The high-speed trains are the best improvements since sliced bread! A normal train takes over 4 hours to get from Shanghai to Hangzhou. A high speed one takes just under 2 hours. This means Shanghai residents can now afford to go to Hangzhou and return on the same day. It's a huge boom for tourism.

In addition to tourism, the increasing interconnectedness of China's vast territory improves domestic trade and decreases reliance on foreign exports.

What a lot of westerners fail to understand is that there is ALWAYS a surplus of demand for transportation to almost anywhere in China. It's not only the migrant workers, but also the businessmen, the students studying out of province, or even consultants who can now expand their businesses to other cities.

Also, investing in railroads is a great way to take more cars off the roads, and thus ensuring less pollution.

But isnt that at the expense of the traditional rail network. Im sure that can do with a lot of improvement as well.eg electrify the line, improve the layout so the traind can travel faster etc:
 

pla101prc

Senior Member
But isnt that at the expense of the traditional rail network. Im sure that can do with a lot of improvement as well.eg electrify the line, improve the layout so the traind can travel faster etc:

no the traditional rail network is a nationwide network, as of now i have serious doubt about the cost of maintaining thousands of km of electric railway, plus traditional railway is good for carrying heavy carriages. as for electric high speed trains its mostly a regional network thing, if you are traveling from north end to the south end of China i'd still recommend traditional railway or airline.
 

solarz

Brigadier
no the traditional rail network is a nationwide network, as of now i have serious doubt about the cost of maintaining thousands of km of electric railway, plus traditional railway is good for carrying heavy carriages. as for electric high speed trains its mostly a regional network thing, if you are traveling from north end to the south end of China i'd still recommend traditional railway or airline.

Hmm... I think we might be talking about different things here. When I say high-speed trains, I mean 动车. As far as I know, this kind of train runs on the same railroad network as all other trains. It's just that along certain parts of the network, the high-speed train can reach speeds that are twice as fast as normal trains.
 

pla101prc

Senior Member
Hmm... I think we might be talking about different things here. When I say high-speed trains, I mean 动车. As far as I know, this kind of train runs on the same railroad network as all other trains. It's just that along certain parts of the network, the high-speed train can reach speeds that are twice as fast as normal trains.

how does that undermine traditional railway though? 动车 is great i rode it many times when i was in China. and if the cost is too high for you you can ride the conventional trains, the market is so huge that it can accomodate both types of transportaion for a very long time.
 
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