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vincent

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So which is which? Tons of colleges or doesn't want people with 'useless' degrees? Both are counterfactual.
But regardless, both of those answers still doesn't really address the primary question on the huge influx of Chinese students to Western colleges.
A. If there are 'tons' of colleges in China, why do hundreds of thousands still feel the need to go overseas?
B. If there isn't, and the Chinese government doesn't want it's population to have 'useless degrees' (honestly don't even know what that means), then by definition does that mean that if the average Chinese student goes overseas to say get a Psychology or History degree, he or she is considered 'useless' and therefore not welcomed back?
China has 1.4 billion people. Let that sink in. Even a small percentage of students go overseas means a huge number. Some one already told you only a tiny percentage of students go overseas compare to the number in China
 

Michaelsinodef

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Good luck getting it built with the vacuum tube. Hyperloop is a boondoggle.
Just make a maglev without the vacuum tube. It might run at like 60% of the speed but is actually something you can build and work properly and economically.
It's likely not gonna be vacuum but just very low air pressure, which would be far easier to make, maintain and upkeep including costs, while also providing a lot and might make the claimed 1000 km an hour possible.
 

Michaelsinodef

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So which is which? Tons of colleges or doesn't want people with 'useless' degrees? Both are counterfactual.
But regardless, both of those answers still doesn't really address the primary question on the huge influx of Chinese students to Western colleges.
A. If there are 'tons' of colleges in China, why do hundreds of thousands still feel the need to go overseas?
B. If there isn't, and the Chinese government doesn't want it's population to have 'useless degrees' (honestly don't even know what that means), then by definition does that mean that if the average Chinese student goes overseas to say get a Psychology or History degree, he or she is considered 'useless' and therefore not welcomed back?
Dude, did you read my post

 

mossen

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China does not need
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where these students get a worthless degree without learning anything. As a matter of fact, not everyone needs to have a degree because the number of jobs requiring them is very limited.
I would say no more than 10-15% of the population needs a university degree. There is massive inflation in credentialism without the commensurate increase in tangible skills across all the industrialised world.

Hell, I was reading a book on some of the earlier history of some of Sweden's biggest companies. Many of the CFOs who ran the finances for those firms didn't have much more than a few years of a post-high school vocational education. Very practical courses. Most of what they learned was on the job as they gradually rose the ranks. If you could be the CFO of a major exporting firm 50 years ago without a ton of degrees, I don't see why you can't now.

It's really about status anxiety more than anything of economic significance. I hope China cracks down on it, but the recent softening on the private cram "education" business makes me a bit less optimistic on that prospect. It's simply very hard to go against the middle-classes for any government, whether in East Asia or in the West.
 

latenlazy

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So which is which? Tons of colleges or doesn't want people with 'useless' degrees? Both are counterfactual.
But regardless, both of those answers still doesn't really address the primary question on the huge influx of Chinese students to Western colleges.
A. If there are 'tons' of colleges in China, why do hundreds of thousands still feel the need to go overseas?
B. If there isn't, and the Chinese government doesn't want it's population to have 'useless degrees' (honestly don't even know what that means), then by definition does that mean that if the average Chinese student goes overseas to say get a Psychology or History degree, he or she is considered 'useless' and therefore not welcomed back?
China’s colleges increased from 2000 to 3000 from 1999 to present. In that same time the number of new college graduates annually increased from 1 million to 9 million. There has been a massive expansion in the number of colleges but there has also been a massive expansion in the number of kids qualifying for and seeking college education. The number of domestic slots for higher education are growing but only at best barely keeping up with the number of kids with both the eligibility and means seeking higher education. Hence why many of those who can’t compete end up choosing to go abroad where the competition is often easier.

Now please stop using Chinese immigrants as trophies for your own political vanity, especially not when the country you’re lauding is doing racist witch hunts against Chinese scientists and engineers who chose to stay after their education.
 

henrik

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I would say no more than 10-15% of the population needs a university degree. There is massive inflation in credentialism without the commensurate increase in tangible skills across all the industrialised world.

Hell, I was reading a book on some of the earlier history of some of Sweden's biggest companies. Many of the CFOs who ran the finances for those firms didn't have much more than a few years of a post-high school vocational education. Very practical courses. Most of what they learned was on the job as they gradually rose the ranks. If you could be the CFO of a major exporting firm 50 years ago without a ton of degrees, I don't see why you can't now.

It's really about status anxiety more than anything of economic significance. I hope China cracks down on it, but the recent softening on the private cram "education" business makes me a bit less optimistic on that prospect. It's simply very hard to go against the middle-classes for any government, whether in East Asia or in the West.

China needs at least 36% of the people with university degrees and higher research degrees. They need the PhDs for doing all the research independently from the imperialists.
 

sunnymaxi

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