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kwaigonegin

Colonel
You have been on this forum for eons and yet your take on China is still pretty outdated, and down right stupid. Do you even actually do some reading and research on the topic(s) you love to bring up here from time to time as your strawman argument and half-baked dumb assumptions?

The level of competition amongst the Chinese students is FIERCE especially when trying to get into the top universities in the country. The rest of them that couldn't make it (my friends, my ex) go to Australia, Canada, New Zealand, U.K. and the U.S. as the case with the people I mentioned. Now, was the level of rigor and quality of Chinese universities on par with western universities decades ago? Of course not, but that's hardly the case today. Check the university ranking from whatever source you'd like to use.

I have yet to read something less snarky and judgmental from you man. Have some respect to the country and people that's clearly making you lot uneasy and restless and here you are having this dumb question with "Chinese universities suck" lol.
I was being passive aggressive about the topic. You did not pick up on it thus your disparaging remarks. .
Anyway yes, I do realized it's highly competitive and schools like BU etc. are likely even more competitive than Ivy League colleges both in acceptance and course load.
I guess my next logical question is why not build more colleges then? They don't all have to be 'tier 1'. Does China have an equivalent of state schools like in the US for the 'average' kids?
If not, why not?
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
I was being passive aggressive about the topic. You did not pick up on it thus your disparaging remarks. .
Anyway yes, I do realized it's highly competitive and schools like BU etc. are likely even more competitive than Ivy League colleges both in acceptance and course load.
I guess my next logical question is why not build more colleges then? They don't all have to be 'tier 1'. Does China have an equivalent of state schools like in the US for the 'average' kids?
If not, why not?
Because Chinese government doesn’t want lots of graduates with useless degrees like in South Korea
 

xypher

Senior Member
Registered Member
I was being passive aggressive about the topic. You did not pick up on it thus your disparaging remarks. .
Anyway yes, I do realized it's highly competitive and schools like BU etc. are likely even more competitive than Ivy League colleges both in acceptance and course load.
I guess my next logical question is why not build more colleges then? They don't all have to be 'tier 1'. Does China have an equivalent of state schools like in the US for the 'average' kids?
If not, why not?
If you could just simply build colleges and they would automatically start functioning like in some game, it would be one thing. The bottleneck in real life is the supply of staff to these colleges, China does not need
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where these students get a worthless degree without learning anything. As a matter of fact, not everyone needs to have a degree because the number of jobs requiring them is very limited.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
I was being passive aggressive about the topic. You did not pick up on it thus your disparaging remarks. .
Anyway yes, I do realized it's highly competitive and schools like BU etc. are likely even more competitive than Ivy League colleges both in acceptance and course load.
I guess my next logical question is why not build more colleges then? They don't all have to be 'tier 1'. Does China have an equivalent of state schools like in the US for the 'average' kids?
If not, why not?
Ehh...China has been building *a lot* of new colleges, for like the last 30 years. You should probably do some basic research before asking these kinds of questions...
 
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Instead of focusing to attract these overseas students back, perhaps they should focus on mitigating why so many young talented Chinese are leaving in the first place.
Are Chinese universities that bad which caused such influx of Chinese students to Western mostly American universities?
Well first off they're not "leaving," since especially nowadays the majority of Chinese students who finish their overseas education end up coming home. Another thing is that its one thing to build more educational institutions, its another thing to staff them. Simply put China is a frickin large country that only rose from poverty a little over a decade ago, so finding the talent and academic infrastructure to make sure those institutions are up to par is no small feat. Regrettably, no doubt in the rush to meet the demand for the amount of high school graduates every year, you get some institutions that are built up via corruption and thus low quality.

A prescient point too, but one that'll require a massive shift in the Chinese populace's way of thinking, is that simply put lots of people are not fit for college. College should be for people going in to highly specialized areas of work and many people simply waste their years studying something useless due to the expectation college is necessary for a high paying job. Meanwhile society has thousands of jobs that are essential and don't require a collge degree. In America at least, a lot of these like parcel delivery driver actually pay really well to boot. You won't know how many people are bamboozled they wasted all their years in college to make minimum wage, while their classmate who dropped out became a truck driver and already own a house.

With so many lost youth in China today, parents seeing the value in vocational work will definately require a shift in the way of thinking.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
Well first off they're not "leaving," since especially nowadays the majority of Chinese students who finish their overseas education end up coming home. Another thing is that its one thing to build more educational institutions, its another thing to staff them. Simply put China is a frickin large country that only rose from poverty a little over a decade ago, so finding the talent and academic infrastructure to make sure those institutions are up to par is no small feat. Regrettably, no doubt in the rush to meet the demand for the amount of high school graduates every year, you get some institutions that are built up via corruption and thus low quality.

A prescient point too, but one that'll require a massive shift in the Chinese populace's way of thinking, is that simply put lots of people are not fit for college. College should be for people going in to highly specialized areas of work and many people simply waste their years studying something useless due to the expectation college is necessary for a high paying job. Meanwhile society has thousands of jobs that are essential and don't require a collge degree. In America at least, a lot of these like parcel delivery driver actually pay really well to boot. You won't know how many people are bamboozled they wasted all their years in college to make minimum wage, while their classmate who dropped out became a truck driver and already own a house.

With so many lost youth in China today, parents seeing the value in vocational work will definately require a shift in the way of thinking.
Another point: not everyone needs to go to college at exactly age 18 or 19. There should be room for people to work for a few years then go to college in their 20's or 30's. US is pretty good about this and should be studied.
 

measuredingabens

Junior Member
Registered Member
China requires MS before a PhD just like Australia and European countries...
You don't technically need a Masters in Australia to pursue a PhD, just a Bachelor's Honours (essentially an extra year of study tacked onto a Bachelor's where one works on a research project and if they perform well enough can skip straight to PhD).
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Ehh...China has been building *a lot* of new colleges, for like the last 30 years. You should probably do some basic research before asking these kinds of questions...
So which is which? Tons of colleges or doesn't want people with 'useless' degrees? Both are counterfactual.
But regardless, both of those answers still doesn't really address the primary question on the huge influx of Chinese students to Western colleges.
A. If there are 'tons' of colleges in China, why do hundreds of thousands still feel the need to go overseas?
B. If there isn't, and the Chinese government doesn't want it's population to have 'useless degrees' (honestly don't even know what that means), then by definition does that mean that if the average Chinese student goes overseas to say get a Psychology or History degree, he or she is considered 'useless' and therefore not welcomed back?
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Well first off they're not "leaving," since especially nowadays the majority of Chinese students who finish their overseas education end up coming home. Another thing is that its one thing to build more educational institutions, its another thing to staff them. Simply put China is a frickin large country that only rose from poverty a little over a decade ago, so finding the talent and academic infrastructure to make sure those institutions are up to par is no small feat. Regrettably, no doubt in the rush to meet the demand for the amount of high school graduates every year, you get some institutions that are built up via corruption and thus low quality.

A prescient point too, but one that'll require a massive shift in the Chinese populace's way of thinking, is that simply put lots of people are not fit for college. College should be for people going in to highly specialized areas of work and many people simply waste their years studying something useless due to the expectation college is necessary for a high paying job. Meanwhile society has thousands of jobs that are essential and don't require a collge degree. In America at least, a lot of these like parcel delivery driver actually pay really well to boot. You won't know how many people are bamboozled they wasted all their years in college to make minimum wage, while their classmate who dropped out became a truck driver and already own a house.

With so many lost youth in China today, parents seeing the value in vocational work will definately require a shift in the way of thinking.
Appreaciate your answer. It gives me a better understanding of the culture in regards to tertiary education and on point w/o taking it personally or getting defensive.
 
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