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The blogger continued:
"Ok, I'm not talking about how long it will take to do it, but when the country, society and the world's human beings need this thing. Let me give an example. The theory of the large collider does not exist at all, because I just mentioned that the standard model of high-energy physics was created in 1974, and there is basically no theory that surpasses it. Of all the particles in the Standard Model, the last one to be discovered is Higgs, which was discovered in 2012. You have to build a new large collider, which obviously has no theoretical basis, let alone it has no application value at all.
For this kind of thing, I think a very simple criterion is whether it has application value within 50 years. If not, you have no application value at all. If there is no application value at all, it is not that you cannot invest, but that you want Compare it with other basic scientific research that has absolutely no application value, right?
You need hundreds of billions for this thing, others only need 100,000 yuan. When Zhang Yitang made a major breakthrough in mathematics once every 10 years, his annual salary was about 100,000 (RMB), and he was just a freshman calculus lecturer, using his (free) time in the library There is a breakthrough in it. Is the basic scientific research of your large collider as important as Zhang Yitang's research? No, absolutely not, but you are a million times more expensive than him, how to explain? You have to explain why the same thing has no application value, and the papers published by others are only one-millionth as important as yours. This is a question they must (answer). But every time I questioned, they said I was insulting basic research. No, even basic scientific research still has priorities and still has cost-effectiveness. It is more cost-effective than these, right?
You have to compare the cost-effectiveness fairly, because in fact, something like a large collider is a combination of 1,000 people in the entire industry, using 1,000 times the political energy of ordinary (individual) basic researchers to defraud 10 to the 6th power is 100 10,000 times the funding, but the research he did is actually (the same level), right? The importance of these papers, the importance of a paper made of hundreds of billions of dollars is the same as the importance of a paper made of 100,000 yuan, but it takes 1,000 times of manpower and 1 million times of money. .
You say this, are they representing basic scientific research, or are they harming basic scientific research? I think it's jeopardizing basic research. Because if you put money in, there will be 1 million other basic scientific researches that cannot get money. If you put in manpower, there will be 1,000 other basic scientific researches without doctors and talents (for R&D).
So I think the biggest problem of the "big" in the false big sky is that it makes the country make wrong investment decisions. The solution to this exaggeration is to be honest (reviewing individual research programs) on the importance (and timing) of the country's needs. That is, the embodiment of the country's needs. The first hurdle is 50 years. Can it be made (actual contribution) within 50 years? Colliders are useless for 1,000 or 10,000 years. I just explained this.
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Many mathematics, or biology, or chemistry, or other physics (subjects), they only need 100,000, millions, tens of millions to make good basic research, you need billions, tens of billions, a few With hundreds of billions of dollars, the resulting papers are not thousands or hundreds of times better than others. How can you ask for thousands or tens of thousands of times the amount of money? So this is what I think is an exaggeration about science, a very bad effect.
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As for things like aircraft engines, large aircraft, semiconductor manufacturing, or things like Huawei being strangled by others, this kind of country's needs and its applications are not even in the future, but in the past. You can say that in 30 Things that were needed years ago have not yet caught up with the first echelon. Should this kind of thing be wasted on other things? It shouldn't be at all, there's no need to even mention such a thing.
We are repaying debts now, and we need to pay back what we need in the past, and everyone has to consider. I actually mentioned that the resources we are discussing now are not only money, but also talents. The real first-class talents are very scarce and very important. They have to be used on the edge of the knife. If they are all sent into colliders, like the European collider LHC, for example, with 6,000 Ph.Ds, most of them Europeans, how much damage will these talents do to Europe? It may be the more than 20 billion euros he spent, compared to the waste of 6,000 talents.
I know a lot of people think that if the country has money anyway, just throw the money everywhere. This is not the case. In the 1950s and 1960s, when the United States was the dominant family, it used to account for 70% of the world's R&D (total investment), but in the 1980s, they were in trouble, (like) Their semiconductor (industry) was disgraced by Japan, but in the 1990s, they began to review the waste of investment in the past, that is, when they did not use the good standard I just said to review the investment direction, they collided their big The machine was cut off. In 1993, I left the high-energy physics world because it was cut off, so I was in real pain.
And I was in Weinberg Weinberg's team at that time, Weinberg was the most important pusher at that time (the American Large Collider SSC), so I knew everything about it. He reports to us twice a week on the progress, and I really heard internally how he wants to fool the country. At that time, I thought it was very strange. You are wasting the wealth of the country and the human world entirely for the benefit of the small industry group. How can you be worthy of your conscience?
Later in the United States, other Nobel Prize winners came forward and offended people for the sake of public welfare. Culturally, China doesn't like to offend people, and it doesn't like to tell the truth, right? This is a bigger question, right? Ma Baoguo's attitude is very common in academia, and this will be an important factor that hinders China to become the world's leading science and technology country.
So I think it should be shared and discussed with everyone. Because I think the so-called superiority of nationality lies in the nationality of this country, whether ordinary citizens take the rise and fall of the country as their own responsibility, and are willing to stand up and tell the truth when they see the public welfare being damaged. This is (judging) the so-called nationality. standard.
If we allow these large groups of research with no application value to use their political energy to occupy public relations and media channels, exaggerate or even create something out of nothing, (create out of thin air) the so-called application value and contribution to the country. Then you will invest wrongly, then you will replicate the mistakes of the US in the 1960s and 1970s.
After the United States conducted a review in the 1990s, it cut off the Large Collider and saved 20 billion US dollars. (It also cut off nuclear fusion power generation, at the same time period) Where did he put the money? He only released a few (billion), and established a semi-official organization for the semiconductor manufacturing industry. The semi-official organization stopped the (U.S.) semiconductor industry within 5 years, and then (further) established the next twenty The U.S. has dominated semiconductor manufacturing equipment for a few years, and this can only give him the cost of strangling China in the past two years. (Among them used in manufacturing equipment, only about) tens of millions.
If he wastes those tens of billions and hundreds of billions in other areas, the United States (the technology industry) will be completely collapsed long ago. At the beginning, what he relied on was the ability and willingness (people) who were willing to do things for the country. Even if there was not much money, he was still willing (with all his energy and wisdom) to make long-term contributions to the country; on the other hand, some people were willing to come forward to offend people, Tell the state that you can't waste money on these things. With the cooperation of these two kinds of people, the United States only had that turning point in the 1990s, and made a little effort to revive and save its own economic future.
China is still far from being a global leader in technology. If you want to have that status, you can't rely on the fact that the United States was in WWII (post) because all the other advanced industrial countries crippled themselves, right? We are now in a long-term peaceful environment. If China wants to rise peacefully, it must rely on being superior to others. Where is the superiority? Superiority lies in your technological development ability. What does the ability of technological development depend on? academia. What does academia depend on? Investment in human and financial and material resources. These investments must be used on the edge of the knife, you don't put on the edge of the knife, the serious consequences are very obvious."