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You think the West would simply let China's soft power to become famous? There's plenty of Chinese talent to do soft power for the world audience. It just would never get exposed by Western distributers. South Koreans like Japanese are no threat to Western or US power and status quo, therefore they are chosen as a representative to be the model Asian success that's happy to be second bananas to them.
Yet, they let "crouching tiger, hidden dragons" win an Oscar. And they couldn't stop TikTok from being a huge hit.

Ask yourself this. Are people in rest of Asia more likely to listen to k-pop or c-pop? China's soft power is under performing in entertainment industry. There are so many Chinese people that watches Korean drama. How many Koreans are watching Chinese drama?

Get real. They bash Chinese soft power every chance they get. The critic Twittersphere bashed the shit out of Wandering Earth and Genshin Impact. The reality is, lots of soft power is what the critic Twittersphere likes, not what people actually do. And we all know who the Twittersphere takes talking points from.

At least Genshin Impact had millions of American players, what was the viewership of Squid Game or Parasite in the US?

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

My point is that China cannot succeed on manufacturing alone. Do you agree with the or not?

Because China didn't go on a genocidal rampage around the world imposing its language and culture on the people it didn't outright murder like America and England did. Or did you think America has "soft power" because people really like McDonald's?

Please chill a little. Some of you comments really just come across as so incendiary.

Even if I buy the lie that America got to where it is by competitive merit, why should I want to establish Chinese power in the same way? Why should I "compete" with someone when I can stick a gun in his face? That's the only way you get power in this world - by having the strength to impose your will on others. That strength is what China is building and it's the only thing worth building.
Please do read over some of your own comments some times. I'm trying to point out that China should not just focus on manufacturing and your reaction to that is pretty extreme.
 

Coalescence

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Please do read over some of your own comments some times. I'm trying to point out that China should not just focus on manufacturing and your reaction to that is pretty extreme.
I think a lot of users here are tired debating about whether soft power is important or not, which is why there are some heated response. Personally, I think its nice to have, but not equally important as manufacturing and R&D. The competition in the field of entertainment is also very fierce and saturated, and it doesn't help with China's image being demonized by propaganda and handicapped by regulations and censorship. So they should at least invest a bit into cultural products like South Korea did with their entertainment industry, but don't put too much significance on it.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Ask yourself this. Are people in rest of Asia more likely to listen to k-pop or c-pop? China's soft power is under performing in entertainment industry. There are so many Chinese people that watches Korean drama. How many Koreans are watching Chinese drama?
Personally, I don't see the point in being competitive in something so frivolous as pop music and television dramas and I don't lose a moment's sleep over it. Perhaps you can explain to us the use of China performing well in the entertainment industry - what does that buy China? Military advantage in WESTPAC? More widespread use of the RMB? Anything worthwhile?

In fact, I can see a lot of societal benefit to the CPC coming down on the entertainment industry (or the deviant elements of it) as it's currently doing.
My point is that China cannot succeed on manufacturing alone. Do you agree with the or not?
I think that's a strawman. Nobody disputes the fact that China needs a strong services sector with world-leading companies in finance, software, etc. What we dispute is the utility of what gets called "soft power" and why it's worthwhile to have more globally popular video games or pop bands.
Please chill a little. Some of you comments really just come across as so incendiary.
I'm zero kelvin chill. What I wrote is simply the truth - why do you think English is spoken by white Europeans in places like North America and Australia? Did that spread by "soft power"?
Please do read over some of your own comments some times. I'm trying to point out that China should not just focus on manufacturing and your reaction to that is pretty extreme.
I need people to understand a very important point: China trying to win by competing in the present order is a mug's game. China wins by overthrowing the present order and establishing its own.
 

BoraTas

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But ask yourself a question, why is China's soft power so much weaker than America's?
Many many reasons. The United States is a Western country in ethnicity and culture. Its rise happened in a world that was totally dominated by Europeans for 300 years, more specifically by the British Empire for the last 150 years of that 300 years. Most of the Western cultural elements the United States has were global norms well before the US even became a significant power. For example why American movies and songs could spread so easily? Because English was already taught to a lot of people by the British, sometimes literally at gunpoint.

Western long-term success is what made Western things cool and normal throughout the world, and Americans took over that legacy. China doesn't have any alternatives to the American model of society and life at this stage of its development. First, it needs to show long term success. The Chinese government shouldn't spend more than a token amount of money on things like popularizing C-Pop, C-Drama, etc... Economic development must be the priority at this point, and it seems the Chinese government has decided that social media platforms don't create much economic value.
 

Franklin

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Don't underestimate a lot of these professions. In general, I think it's a great thing that the Chinese society values building real stuff over having the best and brightest working for parasite professions like lawyers and private equities. They've certainly made a lot of progress in every aspect of manufacturing. But ask yourself a question, why is China's soft power so much weaker than America's? There are real value in a lot of these professions that bring other aspects like entertainment to people's lives. People that produce software that everyone use brings a lot to a country's influence around the world. Similarly, a country's artists bring soft power. How is it that South Korea has BTS and produced "Parasite" and "Squid Games" while China has produced no similar culture hit.

While having too many investment bankers is not good, having a vibrant and transparent banking industry allows America to retain its dominance over the world through US dollars. Can you imagine America without having the world's reserve currency?

So while having technological prowess gives a country power. So do banking/finance, software industry and pop culture in different ways.
Softpower is very important. The ability to dominate the narrative is sometimes more powerful than any industrial or military capability. I have posted here before that American/Western propaganda is wielded like a surgeons knife. While Chinese propaganda is wielded like a sledge hammer. Now even more so under Xi. The reason is freedom of speech. That allows people to express themselves freely that in turn creates rhetoric and artistic creativity. Freedom of speech is something that China sorely lacks at the moment.

However I also think the Americans have become a victim of their own success. They are so good at shaping the narative that they now begin to believe their own good press. They are so good at downplaying their own faults that they are now underestimating their own problems. What is even worse is that today America/Democratic World is a place where everyone has a opinion but no one has a solution to their problems. Because there is no consensus. Everyone these days wants to have their say about everything but very few people are willing to admit that they are wrong about anything. There is endless bickering amongst each other while the problems around them are piling up. And that is also the downside of freedom of speech. If everyone is allowed to talk then no one is saying anything.
 

AssassinsMace

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I see some believe success in China is being and doing exactly what US is doing and China is failing... of course. Then why is the West afraid of being surpassed by China? These days I have a healthy dose of skepticism of any Western media article on the state of China especially the negative. I've mentioned before the story of how there was a news article on how Chinese entities were buying up French wine vineyards outraging the French industry. Multiple articles were written after by different journalists saying the same things making it look like the story is true. One wine journalist was going to write an article too but then decided to fly to France to see for himself. He found out nothing of the sort was happening. He also only found one wine vineyard owner he interviewed that would've had a problem with it if it were happening. How about solar panels? When China started dominating the industry, there were stories in the West how it was a white elephant and China was building all these solar panel farms that weren't connected to China's electrical grid. It was all a giant white elephant that was a big waste of money just to pump up GDP figures like how they said the same with HSR. They milked out two negative stories on China because China was dominating over solar panels which was also a denial on China's economic rise overall. How about the story from Pinkov about how China was dissatisfied with its own domestic fighters and was going to go back to buying Russian fighters all because they wanted to believe Chinese domestic fighters were inferior? Even though China did buy some Su-35s, do we see China's domestic fighters being replaced with Russian? That was one anti-China idiot who wrote that story and all the Western media started writing the same exact story because they like what it said. Western journalism is all about taking one morsel that might have a inkling of truth and then spinning it. It's like how they say stereotypes have a basis of truth in them but then they're exaggerated like hell because people want to believe it's true. I read a lot about China's tech crackdown all because it started with Beijing spoiling Jack Ma's expansive plans. Remember the US before China was talking about cracking down on tech monopolies because of their negative affects and now you have people like Eric Schmidt using China to scare them from doing it. They'll exaggerate or even lie like hell just to make their case.

Why would China want to replicate South Korea's pop culture success. South Korea's goal was to be liked by the West. It's like how I've pointed out before some members in here argue that China can have the best computer processor in the world with the most advanced technology but if the West doesn't buy it, it's a failure. No the most important part is having the best computer chips in the world. That's not real soft power if being liked is the goal. Yeah South Koreans are really arrogant these days because of it but without the US, South Korea would be nothing. China will still be something if the US just fell over a cliff. So which one is more important? The irony is the US and their lapdogs want to make being accepted by the West the most important thing humanity could ever want but all it does make you weak exactly what the purpose it was meant for. If China has it wrong, why are they all worried to death about the future because of China? The West is censoring like hell anything that isn't pro-West. They don't even notice that because... they're pro-West. They're no different from any other autocracy or dictatorship that only allows good things to be said of themselves. It isn't their democratic and human rights principles that makes them right. It's that they have the power and they got there because they had a basic disregard for human rights for others that weren't like them. What the West is afraid of China in the future is not that it's going invade and deny human rights from others. They're afraid that China will do to them what they're doing to China and the rest of the world right now. China might organize countries to place sanctions on the US for their police killing unarmed black men. You know how much of ego blow it will be to Westerners that a non-Western people and countries dictate terms to them? That's why they'll probably lash out in military violence like any evil instead of complying? Throw what's best and good out the window. How about getting countries not to sell and trade, especially the most advanced technology, to Western countries just for being competition. All the things the West takes for granted doing things to the rest of the world... they would be furious if the tables were turned. Does having a boy band the West likes get you that...?
 
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Yet, they let "crouching tiger, hidden dragons" win an Oscar. And they couldn't stop TikTok from being a huge hit.

Ask yourself this. Are people in rest of Asia more likely to listen to k-pop or c-pop? China's soft power is under performing in entertainment industry. There are so many Chinese people that watches Korean drama. How many Koreans are watching Chinese drama?
How many other Asians and Westerners have kung fu movie stars like Jackie Chen, Donnie Yen, Michelle Yeoh, Sammo Hung, Steven Chow and Wu Jing? Yes even the Koreans are still watching them, even new ones.
 
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中国科学院院士谢素原课题组和厦门大学化学化工学院教授袁友珠课题组首次将C60作为电子缓冲剂改性铜基催化剂,在近常压和低于200°C的条件下,完成草酸二甲酯加氢制备乙二醇的规模化试验,打通了从合成气制备乙二醇的常压加氢催化技术难关。
石油化工和煤化工都可以生产乙二醇。我国多煤少油,煤制乙二醇路线具有原料资源优势,但受限于与石油化工的比较成本。以80美元一桶石油为界限,我国的煤化工“几上几下”——价格高于此,煤化工便有竞争优势,反之则失去竞争优势。

This could be significant for China to produce EG from syngas (synthesis gas). China's vast coal reserves are good source of syngas.

Xiamen University spent 7 years to develope this method. The result has been published by Science on April 14.

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Bulk chemicals such as ethylene glycol (EG) can be industrially synthesized from either ethylene or syngas, but the latter undergoes a bottleneck reaction and requires high hydrogen pressures. We show that fullerene (exemplified by C60) can act as an electron buffer for a copper-silica catalyst (Cu/SiO2). Hydrogenation of dimethyl oxalate over a C60-Cu/SiO2 catalyst at ambient pressure and temperatures of 180° to 190°C had an EG yield of up to 98 ± 1%. In a kilogram-scale reaction, no deactivation of the catalyst was seen after 1000 hours. This mild route for the final step toward EG can be combined with the already-industrialized ambient reaction from syngas to the intermediate of dimethyl oxalate.
 

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Yet, they let "crouching tiger, hidden dragons" win an Oscar. And they couldn't stop TikTok from being a huge hit.

Ask yourself this. Are people in rest of Asia more likely to listen to k-pop or c-pop? China's soft power is under performing in entertainment industry. There are so many Chinese people that watches Korean drama. How many Koreans are watching Chinese drama?



I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

My point is that China cannot succeed on manufacturing alone. Do you agree with the or not?



Please chill a little. Some of you comments really just come across as so incendiary.


Please do read over some of your own comments some times. I'm trying to point out that China should not just focus on manufacturing and your reaction to that is pretty extreme.
China lacks soft power largely because every script/song/video game has to be sent to 60 year old officials in Beijing for approval. Until that changes we are not going to see donghua competing with anime, or c-drama competing with k-drama. Lol China can't even keep up with Hong Kong and Taiwan here. Western propaganda obviously doesn't help, but even if the west loved China it wouldn't matter because Chinese shows just aren't that good to begin with...
 

56860

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I see some believe success in China is being and doing exactly what US is doing and China is failing... of course. Then why is the West afraid of being surpassed by China? These days I have a healthy dose of skepticism of any Western media article on the state of China especially the negative. I've mentioned before the story of how there was a news article on how Chinese entities were buying up French wine vineyards outraging the French industry. Multiple articles were written after by different journalists saying the same things making it look like the story is true. One wine journalist was going to write an article too but then decided to fly to France to see for himself. He found out nothing of the sort was happening. He also only found one wine vineyard owner he interviewed that would've had a problem with it if it were happening. How about solar panels? When China started dominating the industry, there were stories in the West how it was a white elephant and China was building all these solar panel farms that weren't connected to China's electrical grid. It was all a giant white elephant that was a big waste of money just to pump up GDP figures like how they said the same with HSR. They milked out two negative stories on China because China was dominating over solar panels which was also a denial on China's economic rise overall. How about the story from Pinkov about how China was dissatisfied with its own domestic fighters and was going to go back to buying Russian fighters all because they wanted to believe Chinese domestic fighters were inferior? Even though China did buy some Su-35s, do we see China's domestic fighters being replaced with Russian? That was one anti-China idiot who wrote that story and all the Western media started writing the same exact story because they like what it said. Western journalism is all about taking one morsel that might have a inkling of truth and then spinning it. It's like how they say stereotypes have a basis of truth in them but then they're exaggerated like hell because people want to believe it's true. I read a lot about China's tech crackdown all because it started with Beijing spoiling Jack Ma's expansive plans. Remember the US before China was talking about cracking down on tech monopolies because of their negative affects and now you have people like Eric Schmidt using China to scare them from doing it. They'll exaggerate or even lie like hell just to make their case.

Why would China want to replicate South Korea's pop culture success. South Korea's goal was to be liked by the West. It's like how I've pointed out before some members in here argue that China can have the best computer processor in the world with the most advanced technology but if the West doesn't buy it, it's a failure. No the most important part is having the best computer chips in the world. That's not real soft power if being liked is the goal. Yeah South Koreans are really arrogant these days because of it but without the US, South Korea would be nothing. China will still be something if the US just fell over a cliff. So which one is more important? The irony is the US and their lapdogs want to make being accepted by the West the most important thing humanity could ever want but all it does make you weak exactly what the purpose it was meant for. If China has it wrong, why are they all worried to death about the future because of China? The West is censoring like hell anything that isn't pro-West. They don't even notice that because... they're pro-West. They're no different from any other autocracy or dictatorship that only allows good things to be said of themselves. It isn't their democratic and human rights principles that makes them right. It's that they have the power and they got there because they had a basic disregard for human rights for others that weren't like them. What the West is afraid of China in the future is not that it's going invade and deny human rights from others. They're afraid that China will do to them what they're doing to China and the rest of the world right now. China might organize countries to place sanctions on the US for their police killing unarmed black men. You know how much of ego blow it will be to Westerners that a non-Western people and countries dictate terms to them? That's why they'll probably lash out in military violence like any evil instead of complying? Throw what's best and good out the window. How about getting countries not to sell and trade, especially the most advanced technology, to Western countries just for being competition. All the things the West takes for granted doing things to the rest of the world... they would be furious if the tables were turned. Does having a boy band the West likes get you that...?
I find soft power to be greatly overrated on this forum. People seem to have this obsession with China replicating anime or k-drama as if it's do or die. Cute little femboys prancing around a stage with makeup on won't help in a Taiwan contingency. 095 attack submarines will.
 
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