New Type98/99 MBT thread

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Re: Chinese Tanks

The time of year- determines temperature. In older tanks the summer heat can and does rapidly degrade crew performance and if hot enough can even affect how ammunition performs.

Weather- All US tanks have modern FLIR, some Chinese tanks do as well but most of those are of an older generation and more easily degraded by things like smoke, fog, rain, snow.

Terrain- determines how many tanks you can employ and how you use them.

only small percentage of Chinese tank has FLIR,reason was cost of FLIR and other modern fire control system is even more expensive than the tank itself.
according to Chinese magazine,FLIR alone cost something 300,000 yuan.

 

[Aluka]

Oh but I do know - they are very different rounds

Like how different? Do you have any schematics? Really, id like to see some.

you are stating to me that Russia will not field Kaktus armor on the T-90 series because it was supposed to go on its failed tank project Black Eagle, other sources state other wise with also the possibility of them placing more advanced armor packages on them.

I didn't say it isn't going to be fielded on T-90, i just said it wasn't supposed for it originally. And if it's going to appear on T-90 - tank will require an all new turret. And it is unlikely, since they would rather produce new T-95 instead of another T-90 mod. I don't care what your sources are, since i don't care what western analytics think of either Chinese or Russian military tech. My source #1 is

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essentially it's a club of former tank constructors, and i would recommend it to anyone searching indepth info on Russian armor.

 

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21,000 MBT in Russian army, i'll highly doubt that the bulk of the 21,000 could stand a chance in todays modern battlfield against superior MBT, maybe 21,000 MBT can be seen but not all are operational and comparable as superior. BACK TO TYPE 99 THREAD ITS NOT A RUSSIA MBT THREAD

The 21,000, 22,800, 22,800+ estimates are all analyst speculations, numbers published by organizations such as the IISS Military Balance 2005-2006. Other publications cite their #'s, like this report:

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If you go to page 39, it lists PRC has having 7,580 MBTs. Even Bill Gertz quotes IISS numbers in his Washington Times article:

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But I think most of us know that the Russian Federation ground forces today does NOT maintain an active fleet of 22,000 MBTs. I don't even think the PLA maintains 7,580 tanks in ready-to-deploy condition. The cold war is over.

Many of the older tanks are probably sitting in a yard somewhere, either as strategic reserve, spare part reserve, or waiting for decommissioning. If you looked inside one of those tanks sitting in the yard, it may have already been stripped of parts, which is a common practice around the world. Often, when used/older military hardware is sold, additional units are sold with the batch for part stripping too.

 

[Chengdu J-10]

Also old tanks are practice targets for ATGM testing, for new models and troop training.

 

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a report that China has brought small number of russian's arena active defensive system .the arean defensive system prove to be heavy (500 plus lbs)by contrast Israel trophy system are far more lighter and sophisticate light enought to be varry wheeled AFV. raytheon also developing similiar system call "quick killed" able to provide multply intercept from RPG to hellfire,even HEAT round fired from tank gun.
strng possibility that russia may also developing follow-on to Arena .

 

[eckherl]

Like how different? Do you have any schematics? Really, id like to see some.

I didn't say it isn't going to be fielded on T-90, i just said it wasn't supposed for it originally. And if it's going to appear on T-90 - tank will require an all new turret. And it is unlikely, since they would rather produce new T-95 instead of another T-90 mod. I don't care what your sources are, since i don't care what western analytics think of either Chinese or Russian military tech. My source #1 is

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essentially it's a club of former tank constructors, and i would recommend it to anyone searching indepth info on Russian armor.

All information with correct schematics are pretty much classified, but anyone who has knowledge of DU rounds know that they perform differently on impact.

Seeings how you are viewing this as a anti western person I will bow out of this conversation with you. And your web site does have some good information but it is not all the truth.

 

[RedMercury]

Oh? Anti-western? Well you'll be happy to know that 90% of SDF is pro-western.

 

[Gollevainen]

In here we are anti-no one, exept anti-BS, anti-nationalist, anti-childish ranting...and pro-objectivines, pro-maturity.
Everyone is entiteled to be with or against anything, but the forum has no offical state whatsoever.
In future, If I would be you, I would be bit more carefull when and where to bash this forum:nono:

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to this date.there's no available data ever come out,since type99 may have adopted modified t-72 auto loading carousel,mean the tank ability to fire long rod penetrator said 30:1 or even 40:1 ratio kinetic round is in question.
second, T-72 tank carousel are highly vulnerable of being brewing up when hit.experience in desert storm and chenchen ,force the russian to abandone carousel loading mechanism in favor bustle auto loading .wonder why the type-96 and 99 never consider adapting similiar device.

 

[Aluka]

All information with correct schematics are pretty much classified, but anyone who has knowledge of DU rounds know that they perform differently on impact.

Of course they were supposed to perform differently. I was talking about design.

Seeings how you are viewing this as a anti western person

Where? When? Really, where did i act as an anti-western person? Is it my avatar? Or probably my nationality? I am sure it is not in my posts. Stating that M829A2 and A3 are not too different i was talking about technical tendencies on APFSDS rounds overall. It does not have to do anything with my bias.

And your web site does have some good information but it is not all the truth.

I have no doubts that you know more than those guys.