New Type98/99 MBT thread

Gollevainen

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T-34 had its roots to US Christie, but none of its basics were US. If some models had US lend-lease minor equipment like radios, it hardly prevented germans to reserve engineer it.
 

crobato

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The T-34 engine isnt aluminum, being a diesel. What it got from Walther Christie was the suspension design, itself not used in any American tank.
 

zraver

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After the disasters in 1941 and the relocation of industry eas tof the urals the UUSSR did not enjoy a numerical advantage until after Kursk. If gemrany had gone to a warm time footing earlier she could ahve kept up withy Russia. But Russia's 2 year lead and the massive amount of guns, steel, and men used to fight the bomber raids doomed Germany's ability to keep up.
 

fishhead

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The T-34 engine isnt aluminum, being a diesel. What it got from Walther Christie was the suspension design, itself not used in any American tank.

crobato, although I never verified the author's claim, but seems that he has some credit:

"It is in place to note in this connection that Winston Churchill named three best kinds of World War II weapons: the British Browning gun, the German Messerschmitt-190 plane and the Soviet T-34 tank. The German generals Erich Schneider and Heinz Guderian said it was a masterpiece of weaponry.[5] Specifically, General Guderian stressed that attempts made by German designers to replicate the T-34 tank had failed because the aluminum case of its diesel engine was unreplicable."

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Gollevainen

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What comes formt he Christie is the development path. During the Spanish civil war soviet union realized that the BT tanks (direct copy of Christies) tought being fast were severly under-armoured. They set a design team to developt a new tank based on the BT tank ideas and thus came the A-20. It had the same type of track/wheeled configuration as with the BT tanks. Stalin himself engouraged the design team to developt a only track moving version and it become the A32 (T-32) which was later accepted to serial production under the name T-34.
 

crobato

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crobato, although I never verified the author's claim, but seems that he has some credit:

"It is in place to note in this connection that Winston Churchill named three best kinds of World War II weapons: the British Browning gun, the German Messerschmitt-190 plane and the Soviet T-34 tank. The German generals Erich Schneider and Heinz Guderian said it was a masterpiece of weaponry.[5] Specifically, General Guderian stressed that attempts made by German designers to replicate the T-34 tank had failed because the aluminum case of its diesel engine was unreplicable."

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Aluminum case and aluminum casing is very different. No one, not even today, makes diesel engines out of aluminum, block or the cylinder head. The only time you may use aluminum is for the casing of the transmission and the valve cover, and that's pretty minor. Daimler Benz did propose a near copy of the T-34 using their own diesel engine. The Germans thought the T-34 was an engineering crudity but marveled at such concepts like the one piece cast turret, the thick sloped armor, and the wide tracks, which allows for greater weight distribution.
 

zraver

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Fishhead the only British guns of note where the Bren and the Sten. Browning is American during WW2.
 

RedMercury

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You guys are going way OT. And stop bashing fishhead just because he says something you don't want to hear. It's getting pretty pathetic.
 

challenge

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Kilo, fisheads claims are not supported by the info. we have established the following facts leangth 60.6cm claimed penetration 85cm (Fishehad claims the PLA wont use its DU round so the pic is of the tungesten round) velocity 1780m/s with that info we can extrapolate the rest of the information. if it is a long rod penetrator (western style) it will come in 11.5K or so joules per mm of RHAe and weigh more and have a thinner L/D ratio (30/1). If it is a short rod then it come sin around 10.1K joule per mm of RHAe witha thicker L/D (16/1) but weigh less.

If you use the Russian model you end up with a round that is far to light to achieve the claimed results.

During the 2004 defense exhibition, 105mm DU round produced by Pakistan were shown in the exhibit.there's is strong possbility that the origin of the round come from China.
 
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