New Type98/99 MBT thread

[Pointblank]

You guys are going way OT. And stop bashing fishhead just because he says something you don't want to hear. It's getting pretty pathetic.

Fishhead has been consistently contradicting himself and messing up facts, so he has no creditability. He is arguing his view which is not substantiated by real life experience with people who do have the real life experience. He is way out of his lane!

Anyways, back your your scheduled topic. ff

P.S.:

The Germans did have a high level of aluminum sophistication. The German Maybach HL 210 TRM P45 (fitted to the Tiger tank) used a aluminum cylinder block. The Germans found that the engine was anyways underpowered and developed a more powerful variant instead. Furthermore, the German Maybach HL230 series engine (fitted to the Panther, late model Tiger and Tiger II tanks) used a aluminum crank case and block.

 

[Gollevainen]

well Said Pointplank...I like to adress to everyone that Are about to enter into deep depate with Fishead, As he first arrived here, He claimed to be Aerospace engineer when in otherhand he have given personal information to contradict with that...

SO PARDON, US If we are fed up with BS and want to to get reasonable backing to his claims.

 

[RedMercury]

Shrug, that's your pov. Consider this. Since almost all of the first hand material in PLA watching is in Chinese (maybe with the exception of our Pakistani friends), without native speakers all you are left with is second hand speculation. Sure you can trawl Chinese language sites for new images, but translation software is still not at the point where you can just browse them as if you read Chinese, so you're going to miss a lot of the insider leaks. All you're left with is machine translations of published articles or longer opinion pieces. Whatever your opinion of Fishhead, he is bringing other sources of information. You can bash the messenger all you want. When they're all gone, what will you have? Will you go read the Chinese forums and magazines? I remember when SDF just started and this was precisely the situation. There were no members to grab things from Chinese forums and other Chinese language sources and post them here, so it was more or less a amateur level discussion with reference to SD.com. Now, there are several active members which provide this link to the Chinese language military-watching websphere. Without them this forum would be a glorified chat room and western bias circlejerk.

 

[zraver]

And we used the info he provided to come to reasonable estimates. I even changed my views on wether or not the Chinese claims are possible. However he still hims and haws and won't take a stand excpet to say PLA> everyone else.

 

[Gollevainen]

Now I had have enough of this thread. This has been the third thread in this forum of Type 98 and its now heading towards the very same end as the other two. Both of the earlier threads were closed when this ridicilous depate over the tank's maingun went to the same wrong tracks.

I'm fed up with these "manchurian supersoldiers" shell lenght determitions based on unknown persons heights and claims of "chinese choosed autoloader becouse they weren't fit enough to lift the ammunitions". All these claims are made becouse some chinese kid read somewhere in internet that the 125mm main gun of Type 98 is superior to everything else. This statement is therefore adopted to some sort of golden rule and to try to proove it to others, all logic and common sense is put aside. And when members that have actually served with tanks tries to say to these kids that it cannot be so, they are claimed to be BSithers...:nono: :nono:

Just for the record there is huge, I mean HUGE difference between those actually having some isight to PLA and those who had heard something in some other forum about someone who heard it from the his uncle whos namesake had served in PLA in the 60's. There's a difference between 17 year old kids without any touch to real life who belive everything said in internet and to those who shares their actual experience with the rest of us and tries to find the optimistic thrut behind all nationalistic boasting and BS.

So if we loose our "aerospace engineer", what will the forum be left with? A western biased circlejerking? Hardy. Unlike you kids may think, objectivity isen't being western biased, its means just what it is, objectivity, the aility to see things behind the red classes. So if we loose one kid or two what this place would be? One turn towards better discussion forum were you can actually try and seek whats the stuff really are made of. One turn towards a place without childish masturbation of these "machurian supersoldiers" and co. One turn towards place of professional, mature and reasonable discussion.

This offtopic discussion ends now. I hear one more remark or appraisal of false informators or other oftopic BS, warnings will follow.

 

[fishhead]

Aluminum case and aluminum casing is very different. No one, not even today, makes diesel engines out of aluminum, block or the cylinder head. The only time you may use aluminum is for the casing of the transmission and the valve cover, and that's pretty minor. Daimler Benz did propose a near copy of the T-34 using their own diesel engine. The Germans thought the T-34 was an engineering crudity but marveled at such concepts like the one piece cast turret, the thick sloped armor, and the wide tracks, which allows for greater weight distribution.

crobato, I never said that was 100% right, but simply talked about my source. Since the book just writes it's "aluminum engine" without further elaboration, so I stated that way, even I understand that today all engines' cylinder can't be made from Aluminum.

Neverthless, there seems to be more than one place that state Germany duplication of T-34 ran into problem of Aluminum, so that claim doesn't come out of blue.

Let's not argue purely for argument.

 

[Gollevainen]

fishead, is this thread about T-34 and german manufacturing attempts of it?
....And what did I just say about going offtopic? Next such comment, and I close this thread and you all have to wait atleast decade before I allow another Type99 thread to be open!

 

[mxiong]

Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Peter Pace rides on a Type 99 MBT

 

[mxiong]

Two American POWs captured by PLA Type 99 MBT:china:

 

[crobato]

And gets a gift...