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I did not know that the PLA's Spec-Op's were using JS SMG's. I always thought they used either Type 79's or Type 85's currently. So the JS is in service?

I did not know that the PLA's Spec-Op's were using JS SMG's. I always thought they used either Type 79's or Type 85's currently. So the JS is in service?

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Well I am not sure.
But the JS seem more suitable for Spec-Op's or PAP operation.

- The bullpup configuration should allow better handling in CQB situation
- The integral silencer allow more stealth
- The 9mm is more suitable Calibre, compared to the 7.62mm and 5.8mm it should increase lethality and reliability without over penetrating.

Alternatively though, a bullpup configuration in a Submachine gun must not be too popular an option for some reason. About the only bullpup SMG's I have heard of are the AUG SMG and the FAMAS G2 SMG derivitive. Of course, these are just assault rifles rechambered to fire 9MM rounds and not dedicated SMG's like an MP5 or Uzi. Most SMG's are designed for CQC and compactness anyway, but I guess a little more couldint hurt.

If it is the PAP, then they might just opt for a modified Type 79. I imagine it would not take a whole lot of reworking to modify the firing rate and chamber it to 9MM.

There is really not much problem with a bullpup smg, althought it hasn't been battle proven.

MP5 or Uzi are still the most widely use by law enforcement and SF is because they are battle proven and still very effective, lethality and reliability. Therefore it isn't necessary to spend that large amount of reasoure to replace them.

However IMO in PAP term it a better idea to switch to the JS.

JS is pretty good, but i don't get the design of JS though. Why bullpup instead of tmp/uzi like where you load the mag in the pistol grip??? The longer barrel makes no difference in close quarter combat

Probably so troops that are used to using the bull-pu type 95 can get a smoother transition into the SMG. Remember large amounts of PAP troops are ex-PLA soldiers. I would be very very surprised if the snow wolf unit guys didnt have any military experience.

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Probably so troops that are used to using the bull-pu type 95 can get a smoother transition into the SMG. Remember large amounts of PAP troops are ex-PLA soldiers. I would be very very surprised if the snow wolf unit guys didnt have any military experience.

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Well you got a point there, but wouldn't you want a compact gun like the tmp and since the army uses pistol, they should need a little bit more training on tmp style smg.

Just wondering, what special forces uses tmp type smg more than classic design smg???

Well, the js-9mm was designed primarily as a export project by norinco, and for police. Perhaps the PAP was impressed with the performance and decided to purchase a few.

the weapon itself was developed from the 95 to (cut development costs? any reason?). Thats the reason its a bull pup.

my final reason is that the PAP has fallen for the same "modern looking" fever of the PLA

ah yes cutting the cost, this is a good enough reason for me .

on other note, do the chinese special force use domestic weapons only or do they use foreign weapons also??

About the only 'Foreign' weapon I can think of that is still in use by the PLA is the Type 56. Though that is hardly a hostage-rescue weapon and only in the reserves.

The biggest draw of the bullpup design would be the compact nature of the design and lowered cost thanks to less complicated moving parts. (or something like that) But the biggest problem I can think of is that if one needs to reload in a CQC situation with a bullpup is that the magazine might take longer to reach and reload, since many in the PLA are probably used to standard configuration weapons. And of course, issues for those who are left hand dominant but I imagine they worked that out as well.

I have no problem with the JS personaly, but I simply had not heard of it being deployed by anyone in the PLA as of yet.