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Deino

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btw, a picture of 60185 mentionned by Huitong



Could it be that this is one of the later pre-serials (01-09) which was reassigned to this test-unit after completion of the original test-programme ??

EDIT/PS: But maybe I have to correct myself ... as this no. 60185 machine maybe one of them !


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hmm, interesting comments on how to tell the difference between WS-10 and AL-31 equipped J-10s.
WS-10
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AL-31
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the golden coloured section in front of the nozzle is longer for WS-10.

btw, this is not my assessment, but someone else's assessment.
 

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hmm, interesting comments on how to tell the difference between WS-10 and AL-31 equipped J-10s.

the golden coloured section in front of the nozzle is longer for WS-10.

btw, this is not my assessment, but someone else's assessment.

I don't know - maybe I still don't understand what's the true characteristic of the WS-10/A :confused: - but for me it's a standard AL-31FN and from prototype 1003 to the later serial machines this "golden" or metal part in front of the nozzle has been redesigned.

For my understanding the WS-10 has a slightly larger diameter and a completely different nozzle as shown on the J-11-WS-10-testbed ... but maybe I'm still wrong ???? :confused:

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I have observed the same thing too about the metal collar around the nozzles. Its thicker on the early planes but I thought that it was because of an earlier version of the AL-31FN.

You know, I'm not sure if the 100 engines recieved are vanilla AL-31FN, AL-31FNM1 with TVC, and here is another very likely possibility, AL-31FNM1 without the TVC (the TVC nozzle failed longevity tests with only 750 hours instead of the 1000 hours the PLAAF specified).

60185 and 60187 (probably with 60186 in between) are NOT early 100X protos repainted. They have the three door front gear configuration seen in later models. The first three door jets appeared with the FTTC (the J-10 with the PL-12 pic with service trucks nearby), but that was after the initial batch of two door jets were assigned to it (late prototypes, preproduction models and early production model).

I do believe that this unmarked plane here, with the metal nose for flight telemetric equipment, is the first AL-31FN powered J-10.



I need to add that based on photos, 1006, 1008 and 1009, plus two seater 1021 and 1022, have the thicker metal collar around the engines. I think there is more than just five WS-10/WS-10A powered prototypes out there.
 

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I do believe that this unmarked plane here, with the metal nose for flight telemetric equipment, is the first AL-31FN powered J-10.

I need to add that based on photos, 1006, 1008 and 1009, plus two seater 1021 and 1022, have the thicker metal collar around the engines. I think there is more than just five WS-10/WS-10A powered prototypes out there.

Hmmm .... but then is the WS-10 - or at least the nozzle arrangement from its outward look - a "copy" of the AL-31FN and not a new design as shown on the J-11/WS-10-testbed !?!? :confused:

I'm still too confused about how to differentiate a AL-31 from a WS-10/A .... can anyone help ????

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Tphuang I have some questions for you.

1. What will the J10's engine really be. I recently heard ( on Wepidika) that J10 will not use WS10. So will it still be Al31?
2. What kind of radar will J10 use, will it be Chinese or others. And is the Chinese radar's abilities such as searching range and tracking ability?
3. Are J10 steal at all??
4. How many J10 will Chinese built??
 
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Jiang

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Ok, Gollevainen. But could you help me then. I really want to join that group. Cause I got some friends there in fact girls.
 

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No can do.
We have nothing to do with that forum. Perhaps you should seek to contact them in there, Im sure there is some feedback line (or send Thpuang a PM to ask about)...
Im not member in there so I can't help you
 

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Tphuang I have some questions for you.

1. What will the J10's engine really be. I recently heard ( on Wepidika) that J10 will not use WS10. So will it still be Al31?
2. What kind of radar will J10 use, will it be Chinese or others. And is the Chinese radar's abilities such as searching range and tracking ability?
3. Are J10 steal at all??
4. How many J10 will Chinese built??
look, this is not an Instant messenger program, don't keep on giving single line responses.
1. It could use both, depending on which engine offers the best combination of price & capability.
2. radar is Chinese, no specifics on capability. There was a report recently that it can track 10 and engage 4.
3. what do you mean is it stolen at all? It's developed in CAC if that's what you are asking.
4. who knows? 1000?
 
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