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that is with the nose probe, based on Deino's sizing. Without the nose probe, its closer to 15.5.
They were talking about the empty weight of J-10 online. One of the guys who apparently has access to confidential info said that the weight is closer to 7.5 tonnes than 8. Anyhow, I don't think we've seen the end of this. I think Aviation weekly is pretty close, but still a little off.
We will wait for more info. The data is from AFM, not AW. Looks like major mags will have J-10s featured for this and the next month.
The weight issue for me is an Internet invention to further seperate the J-10 from a Lavi root (Lavi empty weight is 7000kg) to something closer to the Typhoon (original prototype 9750kg). I think that was suspicious and so off the scale.
From what I know is that the J-10 has TWR parity on combat weight, though its hard to say if its 12,500kg (AL-31FN) or 13,200kg (WS-10A). The chart given showed that parity on the 13,200kg level.
And if what you're saying is true, then no surprise, 12,500kg - 4900kg (fuel and AAMs/ammo/pilot) is 7600kg. I use 4900 because 13,200-8300kg and apparently that figure is used in the calculation.
The 13,200kg combat weight is probably on the high end of it. If I were only putting 3300kg like an F-16, the combat weight is like 12,000kg and thats higher than unity even with an AL-31FN.
To Mehdi,
Yes, -BS has its own funny meaning too. But I guess the two seater J-11 may just end up being called J-11S.
Certainly the B on J-11B and J-10B has very different meanings, and we know the J-11B tag is official, and J-10B therefore shouldn't be.
The weight issue for me is an Internet invention to further seperate the J-10 from a Lavi root (Lavi empty weight is 7000kg) to something closer to the Typhoon (original prototype 9750kg). I think that was suspicious and so off the scale.
From what I know is that the J-10 has TWR parity on combat weight, though its hard to say if its 12,500kg (AL-31FN) or 13,200kg (WS-10A). The chart given showed that parity on the 13,200kg level.
And if what you're saying is true, then no surprise, 12,500kg - 4900kg (fuel and AAMs/ammo/pilot) is 7600kg. I use 4900 because 13,200-8300kg and apparently that figure is used in the calculation.
The 13,200kg combat weight is probably on the high end of it. If I were only putting 3300kg like an F-16, the combat weight is like 12,000kg and thats higher than unity even with an AL-31FN.
To Mehdi,
Yes, -BS has its own funny meaning too. But I guess the two seater J-11 may just end up being called J-11S.
Certainly the B on J-11B and J-10B has very different meanings, and we know the J-11B tag is official, and J-10B therefore shouldn't be.
not just Deino's calculations, many others have done it as well...And in fact as soon as I've around my own comp. I will try it myself...
I ment that others have done the same type of calculations before and the results have been somewhat similar. The proplem is that you need to have a picture taken straight from the side so that the plane is in 90 degree agle compared to the camera, then the optical error is minimal
so just give me a pic and I'm on to it
so just give me a pic and I'm on to it
With a reliable standard to compare, I have my doubts on these calculations. The only ones with some merit would be to take the PL-8's length into account, or less reliably the nozzle. The PL-8's length is already documented at 3m based on the Python 3 it was copied from. I remember doing the same on prototype 1006 when an early picture came out years ago.
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