*New J-10 Thread*
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from CDF, an article by PLA's own newspaper.
also from avic1 website, saying that J-10 has already been introduced to the service and have achieved combat status.
Note, it mentions 2 J-10s beating 4 sukhoi fighters as the title, but I think that's the title mentionned by the person who posted this article rather than pla's own newspaper article. Anyhow, it means 4 3rd generation fighters getting intercepted by 2 J-10s and the J-10s were able to find the opposing fighters first, lock on first and shoot down the opposing fighters first. Considering the only "3rd" generation fighters in plaaf are flankers and J-10s, those 3rd generation fighters have to be flankers. Also note, it mentions that this happened in NorthWestern part of China, which was also the locations of all of the previous leaked J-10s beating flankers stories.
also from avic1 website, saying that J-10 has already been introduced to the service and have achieved combat status.
Exept that Flankers belongs to the fourth generation. The third generation (Phantom generation) is represented in PLAAF trough J8II...
So unless the chinese "third" generation actually means the fourth generation, these planes reportetly "intercepted" weren't Flankers...
yes, in Chinese standards, su-27/J-10/teens/M2K is 3rd generation and J-7/J-8/Mig-23/F-4/F-5 are all 2nd generation. F-22/F-35 are considered to be 4th rather than 5th generation.
Also, there is an interesting thread going here that claims J-10 achieved a kill ratio of 13:1 vs su-30mkk
petty officer1
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13:1 ?! I don't think so... how many targets j-10 can lock on the same time. include ground targets. IF the 13:1 is true, J-10 must have a amazing radar and target acquation system, almost near F-22. As China's current ability J-10 is a great achivement, but 13:1 vs su-30mkk just seems like a wet dream.
it doesn't need to score 13 hits on one go. It can do so in multiple simulated exercises involving multiple J-10s vs multiple su-30mkks. F-22 had like a 200+:2 kill ratio in USAF's most recent major wargame I think.
The PLA considers "generation" based on the planes they make. Thus J-5/6 means first generation, J-7 and J-8II second generation.
Besides the other characters used to describe fighters are also the same ones used to describe Sukhois in particular.
coolieno99
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It's very possible that particular J-10 may be used as an engineering test model equipped with an AESA radar. That would give the J-10 an huge advantage over the Su-30MKK.
Don 't think AESA is involved. Just multiple exercises across a wide range of conditions and scenarios like tphuang said.
The ratio sounds incredible though. That beats the suspiciously biased simulations where the Typhoon scored 4.5 against Su-30s and the Rafales a 1:1. I don't believe Shenyang AC would agree to that either. Interesting to see how the J-11B would go against the J-10. Such tests can make or break the J-11B project.
The ratio sounds incredible though. That beats the suspiciously biased simulations where the Typhoon scored 4.5 against Su-30s and the Rafales a 1:1. I don't believe Shenyang AC would agree to that either. Interesting to see how the J-11B would go against the J-10. Such tests can make or break the J-11B project.
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