AssassinsMace
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What people say and believe who can only guess doesn't really matter. Remember early on there were those in the US military that said the J-10 was equivalent to an F-18?
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true despite one being a light weight fighter and the other a mid weight fighter. also some bloggers compare the J-10 with F-22. This is the most riduclous comparison, firstly and most obvious generation is different. Era in which developed in was different, allocated budget minimal, technology available and know how limited compared to now. Allocated roles were different, J-10 was to be produces in mass as the future backbone of PLAAF to get them up to main stream all +4th generation. F-22 was designed with a different role and intention.
let us face the reality,when it come to high tech aviation weapon system, the uS are way ahead,both solfware and hardware.
the technology capability of J-10 more likely either 80% F-16A or something in between F-16A and c model.
but still the aircraft has a room for further improvement.
the technology capability of J-10 more likely either 80% F-16A or something in between F-16A and c model.
but still the aircraft has a room for further improvement.
Post your source on this. Otherwise, don't bother with this ridiculous assessment. US's best stuff are not on their F-16s, China's best stuff are on their J-10s. So, you can't use that kind of argument on this.
English sources I read generally compared J-10 from block 30 up. Personally, I think J-10 is better than any F-16 C/Ds in A2A combat
Indeed I would say its ridiculous, considering the F-16A does not have BVR, support PGMs and such. Unless you want to compare with the Block 20 with the APG-66V2, which has BVR, PGM and AshM support, but this radar is approximately equivalent to the APG-68V5 of the Block 52. In my personal opinion, the radar on the J-10 outperforms the APG-66V2 as a required or specified goal, though not by much. IMO, the J-10 dynamically outperforms the F-16C/D, with similar thrust to weight ratios, but has much better and lower wing loading and initial turn rates due to the canards.
to this date ,data and information about J-10,whether her flight performance,flight control and avionic and radar system is still highly restricted,there's no official data ever release by the Chinese govenment,therefore we will never know,instead infomation ,which I suspect may have come from pakistan,russia ,taiwan or even israel.
RedMercury
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So you are saying what you said a few posts ago has no basis in facts? How refreshing.
Because PESA doesn't offer anything much over a slotted planar either, and the planar is much cheaper and actually has better signal gain. You can get away a lot on a slotted planar these days, some of these things the slotted array may equally match and sometimes do better. They include ultra low side lob emission and pulse compression. Its for this reason why its better to jump directly to AESA.
The Russians went from cassegrain or twist cassegrain and skipped to phase array partly because the slotted array is difficult to manufacture and requires very high tolerances on the wave guides. The Russians (USSR) wasn't that good in precision manufacturing. The US was however, so they went to the slotted array early. However, a PESA doesn't offer that much over a slotted array, so the US also skipped the PESA part---hence why no US fighter or any other fighter in the West other than the Rafale ever had a PESA---and went directly to the AESA.
If you rate the slotted array as a 3, the AESA as a 4, the PESA would be a 3.5. If you are at 2 (mechanical parabolic or cassegrain), you jump to either 3 or 3.5, but when you're at 3, does not make sense to jump to 3.5.
The Russians went from cassegrain or twist cassegrain and skipped to phase array partly because the slotted array is difficult to manufacture and requires very high tolerances on the wave guides. The Russians (USSR) wasn't that good in precision manufacturing. The US was however, so they went to the slotted array early. However, a PESA doesn't offer that much over a slotted array, so the US also skipped the PESA part---hence why no US fighter or any other fighter in the West other than the Rafale ever had a PESA---and went directly to the AESA.
If you rate the slotted array as a 3, the AESA as a 4, the PESA would be a 3.5. If you are at 2 (mechanical parabolic or cassegrain), you jump to either 3 or 3.5, but when you're at 3, does not make sense to jump to 3.5.
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