New J-10 thread II
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jawad
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Re: "Big Numbers" of J-10 Fighters for Pakistan??
it will also depend upon the performance of FC-20/J-10 how huch additional advantages it offers to PAF as compared to the f-16 C/D block52 and F-16AM/BMs as currently PAF is looking for FC-20 to be a pure MultiRole fighter jet which i think that it will be able to do so with ease.
It will also depend upon the avonics of FC-20 which i think that will be far more advanced compared to the JF-17 as they wi ll be choosen at later time period then that of jf17 and also because of cost and space freedom as compared to the JF-17 Thunder as FC-20 will belong to the High Tech frontline fighter jet as compared to the JF-17 which is supposed to be a low cost aircraft to be produce in numbers
Radar used in FC-20 might also be a good indicator to determin the future direction of the PAF's purchases of high tech jets as CAS of PAF in it's recent interview to AFM said that PAF is looking for the AESA radar for the future purchases of JF-17 2nd batch? . So PAF might look for the AESA for the FC-20 as well as india is also going for the AESA for MMRCA ad already have PESA with Su-30MKIs
In the end i will say that weapons quality compared to its western alternatives will also be of importance but considering reacent jump in Precision-guided munitions and BVR will make FC-20 a strong contender for PAF's future orders as compared to F-16's etc
RCS reduction and TVC Power plant will also its additional advantages of Fc-20 over its rivals :china:
min figure is 400 it can be much more once funds became available with growing economy and isee an order of atleast another 40 FC-20 if not of more as PAF in its history never bought a jet fighter which was a successfull and bought just 40 odd jets
it will also depend upon the performance of FC-20/J-10 how huch additional advantages it offers to PAF as compared to the f-16 C/D block52 and F-16AM/BMs as currently PAF is looking for FC-20 to be a pure MultiRole fighter jet which i think that it will be able to do so with ease.
It will also depend upon the avonics of FC-20 which i think that will be far more advanced compared to the JF-17 as they wi ll be choosen at later time period then that of jf17 and also because of cost and space freedom as compared to the JF-17 Thunder as FC-20 will belong to the High Tech frontline fighter jet as compared to the JF-17 which is supposed to be a low cost aircraft to be produce in numbers
Radar used in FC-20 might also be a good indicator to determin the future direction of the PAF's purchases of high tech jets as CAS of PAF in it's recent interview to AFM said that PAF is looking for the AESA radar for the future purchases of JF-17 2nd batch? . So PAF might look for the AESA for the FC-20 as well as india is also going for the AESA for MMRCA ad already have PESA with Su-30MKIs
In the end i will say that weapons quality compared to its western alternatives will also be of importance but considering reacent jump in Precision-guided munitions and BVR will make FC-20 a strong contender for PAF's future orders as compared to F-16's etc
RCS reduction and TVC Power plant will also its additional advantages of Fc-20 over its rivals :china:
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Actually they are just grey covers for the noses.
May I ask how do you know they are just gray covers for the noses? Do you have some kind of proof? Coz PLAAF and PLAN usually only change the colour of their planes' noses covers when there are new radars fitted.
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Re: "Big Numbers" of J-10 Fighters for Pakistan??
From the AFM interview, I think the PAF wants FC-20 to be a proper multi-role/multi-mission fighter. From the tone of the ACM, I imagine the future doctrine requires FC-20 to be in the same league as the F-16 in PAF. They will decide on the radar, avionics, ECM/EW and weapon-systems before making the acquisition of the fighter - which is presently for 2 squadrons, 36-40 aircraft.
On how FC-20 turns out will IMO depend on these variables:
1) Whether Western avionics, ECM/EW and radar firms can make an attractive offer for the FC-20 & JF-17. PAF will want the biggest bang for the buck, and a minimum market for 190 aircraft (150 JF-17s & 40 J-10s) to a potential one of perhaps 350 is no joke (250 JF-17 & 100 J-10)...American and European firms will likely be interested.
2) Whether PAF will decide to use Western BVRAAM for JF-17. Current preference is to equip JF-17 with an American or French BVRAAM...could extend to FC-20.
3) Whether it will focus on one or two 5th generation WVRAAMs. Currently it is seeking a 5th gen. system for JF-17, and will probably to do so for F-16 as well. Would they use AIM-9X on F-16s and another system for JF-17 & FC-20 (Chinese system?)...or standardize on a single missile for all fighters like IRIS-T.
4) They may study joint-cooperation in the specific field of avionics, ECM/EW, radar, Helmet Mounted Systems, etc with China, Italy, France and/or Turkey. Given the time it will take to induct 200-350 fighters, as well as other projects such as F-16, Erieye, refueling aircraft, air defence, etc...it may be beneficial to take a slower route of joint-development and production - to help the local industry.
jawad
From the AFM interview, I think the PAF wants FC-20 to be a proper multi-role/multi-mission fighter. From the tone of the ACM, I imagine the future doctrine requires FC-20 to be in the same league as the F-16 in PAF. They will decide on the radar, avionics, ECM/EW and weapon-systems before making the acquisition of the fighter - which is presently for 2 squadrons, 36-40 aircraft.
On how FC-20 turns out will IMO depend on these variables:
1) Whether Western avionics, ECM/EW and radar firms can make an attractive offer for the FC-20 & JF-17. PAF will want the biggest bang for the buck, and a minimum market for 190 aircraft (150 JF-17s & 40 J-10s) to a potential one of perhaps 350 is no joke (250 JF-17 & 100 J-10)...American and European firms will likely be interested.
2) Whether PAF will decide to use Western BVRAAM for JF-17. Current preference is to equip JF-17 with an American or French BVRAAM...could extend to FC-20.
3) Whether it will focus on one or two 5th generation WVRAAMs. Currently it is seeking a 5th gen. system for JF-17, and will probably to do so for F-16 as well. Would they use AIM-9X on F-16s and another system for JF-17 & FC-20 (Chinese system?)...or standardize on a single missile for all fighters like IRIS-T.
4) They may study joint-cooperation in the specific field of avionics, ECM/EW, radar, Helmet Mounted Systems, etc with China, Italy, France and/or Turkey. Given the time it will take to induct 200-350 fighters, as well as other projects such as F-16, Erieye, refueling aircraft, air defence, etc...it may be beneficial to take a slower route of joint-development and production - to help the local industry.
why would you think J-10's avionics is not as good as that of block 50 right now? If we compare Zhuk-ME with that of APG-68v9, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. And China reported rejected something at Zhuk-ME level for J-10.
People are saying that it does not have the draped appearance like when you hang a cover on top of the nose. That's what I seem to notice too. Usually planes get covers if they are outside of their shelters, and yet these planes are inside shelters.
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