New J-10 thread II

[maglomanic]

I doubt that they will go DSI, unless they are changing the role of J-10 to something like F35. DSI does not perform well in supersonic flight.

And that is based on what?

 

[tphuang]

And that is based on what?

because it's a fixed intake.
J-10 currently uses a variable inlet.

 

[maglomanic]

because it's a fixed intake.
J-10 currently uses a variable inlet.

Yeah i understand that part but according to Code One Magzine the modified F-16 performed th entire regime of AoA at Mach 2.0 without any problems.Thats already supersonic. Now most people tend to say DSI would not go beyond the Mach 2.0 citing F-35 example but again i don't see if there has been an effort to do so (i.e. optimizing DSI for higher Mach number).

 

[tphuang]

Yeah i understand that part but according to Code One Magzine the modified F-16 performed th entire regime of AoA at Mach 2.0 without any problems.Thats already supersonic. Now most people tend to say DSI would not go beyond the Mach 2.0 citing F-35 example but again i don't see if there has been an effort to do so (i.e. optimizing DSI for higher Mach number).

I always heard that F-16 struggles to get to Mach 2.0 and that it can only get there with zero load. Whereas J-10 can reach mach 2.4 probably (based on previous J-9 requirements) and can reach Mach 2.0 in standard A2A configuration.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

It is really good to see that J-10 is being upgraded on such a fast pace. J-10 really has evolved much more then the Chinese initially anticipated by beating the SU-27.

Any news on J-10 Vs SU-30 run in?

 

[tphuang]

It is really good to see that J-10 is being upgraded on such a fast pace. J-10 really has evolved much more then the Chinese initially anticipated by beating the SU-27.

Any news on J-10 Vs SU-30 run in?

The results released were actually J-10 vs su-30. Generally, J-10 dominates the imported flankers. It would be interesting to see J-10 vs J-11B, since they should be at least comparable in BVR.

 

[Skywatcher]

Given that the latest versions of the AMRAAM and Russian BVRAAMs have been given extended ranges to over 100km+, would it be fair to suppose that China is working on a new variant of the PL-12?

 

[tphuang]

Given that the latest versions of the AMRAAM and Russian BVRAAMs have been given extended ranges to over 100km+, would it be fair to suppose that China is working on a new variant of the PL-12?

I'm not sure which Russian BVRAAM you are talking about that has a range of over 100 km+, but PL-12's range is more than sufficient for what it needs to do.

 

[Chengdu J-10]

Yeah i understand that part but according to Code One Magzine the modified F-16 performed th entire regime of AoA at Mach 2.0 without any problems.Thats already supersonic. Now most people tend to say DSI would not go beyond the Mach 2.0 citing F-35 example but again i don't see if there has been an effort to do so (i.e. optimizing DSI for higher Mach number).

Really, Mach 2.0...for an F-16? I question that. Cause from all the reports, articles, and research the F-16 with zero payload cannot reach Mach 2.0 effectively. Its design doesn't efficiently enable it to hit the Mach 2.0 mark without serious vibration. But I'm not doubting you though, I would just like to see where you got this information from.

And with J-10 yes without zero payload it can reach the same speed as the Su-27/J-11 in the PLAAF inventory. Pretty impressive, of how the PLAAF have moved from a Cold War 2nd generation aircraft to a domestic 3.5 generation modern advance aircraft.

PLAAF are filling in those empty holes now. Engines, avionics, HMS are pretty set, but the only thing that the PLAAF haven't really covered are fully designed domestic BVRAAM.

 

[Chengdu J-10]

I'm not sure which Russian BVRAAM you are talking about that has a range of over 100 km+, but PL-12's range is more than sufficient for what it needs to do.

I think he might be talking about the R-77 vs AIM-120, and yes China is well underway with the future BVRAAM, but I don't know if foreign assistance has been implemented...