New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

supercat

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The same consulting firm that predicts that China will produce 33% of the world's vehicles by 2030 also anticipates that only 19 automakers in China will survive by that time, out of the current 139. To be honest, I think 19 is still too many.
Chinese Carmakers to Occupy Third of Global Auto Market by 2030, AlixPartners Predicts
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Less Than 20 Chinese EV Brands to Be Profitable by Decade’s End​

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Zeekr 7X was unveiled.
The Zeekr 7X is based on the 800 V high-voltage platform, and the dual-motor variant can accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h in less than 4 seconds.
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sndef888

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The same consulting firm that predicts that China will produce 33% of the world's vehicles by 2030 also anticipates that only 19 automakers in China will survive by that time, out of the current 139. To be honest, I think 19 is still too many.

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Zeekr 7X was unveiled.

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I thought Zeekr was going to be the EV version of Lynk and Co but it seems like they're adopting a different styling

Makes me wonder what Lynk and Co EVs will look like, like whether it'll just be a clone of Zeekr 001 and Zeekr X
 

phrozenflame

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Even if there is a over capacity in EV battery production, it'll simply be absorbed by home storage market, there are literally millions of homes around the world looking to go semi-off grid by doing solar and battery combo.

Beyond that there's plenty of countries interested in battery load balancers, this is like complaining about producing too much oil.
Depends also if prices fall. I can speak for Pakistan. Cheaper solar panels are rapidly fueling adoption however people aren't buying the batteries and just net-metering the setup. However people would really prefer to have the batteries and just go off-grid due to mismanaged capacity charges and very poor agreements with independent power plants that has just become a burden, personaly I won't rule out massive corruption between suppliers(vendors) and buyers(govt). Right now batteries are expensive for PK market, once prices start to fall, people will rapidly start adopting it.

Perhaps different scenarios in higher income markets.
 

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supersnoop

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The same consulting firm that predicts that China will produce 33% of the world's vehicles by 2030 also anticipates that only 19 automakers in China will survive by that time, out of the current 139. To be honest, I think 19 is still too many.

I agree that the current dearth of brands cannot be sustained. I wonder if there will be a bigger shift towards OEM/ODM contract manufacturing (similar to electronics). Car companies in general have shifted away from full vertical integration for decades (the exceptions being BYD and Toyota), so is there some more decoupling in store? So far we haven't seen a successful split from manufacturing/design, closest being Magna Steyr as an OEM.

The big SOEs are basically like this already. FAW is mostly making cars for VW and Toyota. The only brand they have is Hongqi.
Dongfeng, their focus should be on heavy trucks, the consumer cars don't seem worth it. The most notable car they produce isn't even sold under their own brand (Dacia Spring). How many times have we mentioned BAIC brands in this thread? 3? BAIC's largest success is probably just helping Xiaomi get off the ground.

The only problem is that the auto manufacturing is a well-protected industry worldwide, so there is a cap on how much volume can be exported.

I thought Zeekr was going to be the EV version of Lynk and Co but it seems like they're adopting a different styling

When Lynk and Co was announced, it was supposed to be PHEV and BEV, along with "one-stop" subscription (payments, insurance, and trade in) and car share service. Guess it never panned out.
 

supercat

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CATL plans to raise $1.5 billion to build a global supply chain.

Chinese battery giant taps global rich for $1.5bn fund to back overseas suppliers​

Tesla supplier CATL holds talks with sovereign wealth funds, family offices and automakers
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It becomes more evident with each passing day that Italy really shot themselves in the foot by withdrawing from BRI.

Italy to offer defunct Stellantis brands to Chinese automakers, report says​

Italy's government is considering taking over by decree defunct auto brands owned by Stellantis, and offering them to Chinese companies to encourage them to set up factories in Italy, Il Sole 24 Ore daily reported on Friday.
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CATL plans to raise $1.5 billion to build a global supply chain.

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It becomes more evident with each passing day that Italy really shot themselves in the foot by withdrawing from BRI.

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Italy's getting desperate. China should decline and hold out for a better offer. Defunct brands by themselves have no real value unless it comes with free land, massive tax breaks, free water and electricity, etc. Hungary is a better bet by far.
 

henrik

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Italy's getting desperate. China should decline and hold out for a better offer. Defunct brands by themselves have no real value unless it comes with free land, massive tax breaks, free water and electricity, etc. Hungary is a better bet by far.

Why would anyone want crappy Italian brands? A Chinese company did buy a stake in Pirelli the tire maker.
 
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