New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

AndrewS

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Funnily enough, the more I look at it the more it seems like the USA is going to be one of the least affected by climate change. Sure there's going to potentially be flooding in Florida, more droughts and so on, but the majority lives on the East coast which isn't majorly affected. Meanwhile Europe gets run over by the AMOC stopping, India by the screwed up Indian Monsoon, South America/Africa by the Sahara-Amazon interaction. Maybe that's why the US doesn't really care about switching off of ICEs anymore.

Remember the Texas electricity grid collapsing due to Winter temperatures? There will be more of this happening
 

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Remember the Texas electricity grid collapsing due to Winter temperatures? There will be more of this happening
Yea, the American south will be hit and sucks to be them, but like I said the majority lives on the Midwest-East Coast band which isn't affected as much. For the majority population there, temperatures will warm up but because it was relatively cool there to begin with it'll still end up with a livable temperature.

Ultimately it's a comparative:
  • India's going to have the entire country affected with basic stuff like food yields and rainfall decreasing while outdoor temperatures rise. In particular, outdoor temperatures are expected to regularly reach the point where human bodies shut down. That means even if they live, they're not going to be getting much of any work done. Not without copious amounts of A/C at least.
  • Europe's going to get much colder as the AMOC shuts down, making Europe actually feel like its northern latitude. That means temperatures like Canada (north of Ottawa) rather than relative warmth it has now.
  • Sahara might actually get wetter due to increased condensation, but this also means less fertilizing dust is blown to the Amazon. That means the Amazon starts to die off and because the Amazon generates its own rain, less rain in South America as the rainforest shrinks. The exposed land is also going to be less fertile. While Sahara gets wetter, it's still not likely to get wet enough to support significant human activity. So North Africa is less pleasant and sub-Saharan Africa will be hotter but still livable.
  • Southern China (Guangdong and the like) will likely have lower river flows. That will put pressure on freshwater consumption and hydroelectric generation. Temperatures will rise and be unpleasant but still livable. The upside is Dongbei might become more pleasant climate-wise and thus help offset the rust belt there.
  • Southern/western US is going to suffer droughts and high temperatures. At least unlike India, they will still be livable temperatures, just unpleasant. The stopping of the AMOC will also correspond to a weakening of the Polar Vortex which means these southern states might get hit with colder temperatures than they are used to - like the Texan Winter you mentioned. But the saving grace here is that the majority of the US population lives in the Midwest-East Coast band which is already (1) used to winter temperatures from the Polar Vortex (2) almost cold like Dongbei so any warming is actually good rather than bad
  • Russia will gain more usable land as the permafrost retreats. As the country suffers from low temperatures like Dongbei, any warming is actually good for human activity. Similarly, warming opens up the Arctic route from a meme to something feasible for regular activity.
So the warming climate benefits Russia, is on balance neutral for US & China, and sucks for everyone else.
But I think I've dragged this sufficiently off topic and should be in the Climate Change thread. I'll end my side here.
 
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tphuang

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I recall seeing that pre-pandemic, it typically cost $500 for a PCTC to transport a car from Asia to Europe
sure, that works out about right, but keep in mind we've had quite a bit of inflation since then. And right now, the problem is that there aren't enough PCTCs, so they use RoRo ships, which can't transport as many per trip. As such, you have higher cost per car.
 

Duke Xiao of Qin

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YangWang U7, reminds me a little bit of the Seal:
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2023 and 2024 have turned out to be the years of battery swap. So far, the following automakers have formed battery swap alliance with NIO:
  • Geely (one of the largest private automakers in China)
  • Changan (one of the largest auto-making SOE, one of the three automakers directly administered by the central government)
  • Chery (SOE)
  • JAC (SOE)

WOW,
that is one good looking CAR !

I want to buy it NOW !

I think, I can drive to Mexico and buy it now !
 

AndrewS

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Yea, the American south will be hit and sucks to be them, but like I said the majority lives on the Midwest-East Coast band which isn't affected as much. For the majority population there, temperatures will warm up but because it was relatively cool there to begin with it'll still end up with a livable temperature.

Ultimately it's a comparative:
  • India's going to have the entire country affected with basic stuff like food yields and rainfall decreasing while outdoor temperatures rise. In particular, outdoor temperatures are expected to regularly reach the point where human bodies shut down. That means even if they live, they're not going to be getting much of any work done. Not without copious amounts of A/C at least.
  • Europe's going to get much colder as the AMOC shuts down, making Europe actually feel like its northern latitude. That means temperatures like Canada (north of Ottawa) rather than relative warmth it has now.
  • Sahara might actually get wetter due to increased condensation, but this also means less fertilizing dust is blown to the Amazon. That means the Amazon starts to die off and because the Amazon generates its own rain, less rain in South America as the rainforest shrinks. The exposed land is also going to be less fertile. While Sahara gets wetter, it's still not likely to get wet enough to support significant human activity. So North Africa is less pleasant and sub-Saharan Africa will be hotter but still livable.
  • Southern China (Guangdong and the like) will likely have lower river flows. That will put pressure on freshwater consumption and hydroelectric generation. Temperatures will rise and be unpleasant but still livable. The upside is Dongbei might become more pleasant climate-wise and thus help offset the rust belt there.
  • Southern/western US is going to suffer droughts and high temperatures. At least unlike India, they will still be livable temperatures, just unpleasant. The stopping of the AMOC will also correspond to a weakening of the Polar Vortex which means these southern states might get hit with colder temperatures than they are used to - like the Texan Winter you mentioned. But the saving grace here is that the majority of the US population lives in the Midwest-East Coast band which is already (1) used to winter temperatures from the Polar Vortex (2) almost cold like Dongbei so any warming is actually good rather than bad
  • Russia will gain more usable land as the permafrost retreats. As the country suffers from low temperatures like Dongbei, any warming is actually good for human activity. Similarly, warming opens up the Arctic route from a meme to something feasible for regular activity.
So the warming climate benefits Russia, is on balance neutral for US & China, and sucks for everyone else.
But I think I've dragged this sufficiently off topic and should be in the Climate Change thread. I'll end my side here.

You also have to consider a lot more hurricanes hitting the US East Coast

The same (Typhoons) applies to the Western Pacific
 

tamsen_ikard

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Next stop high end chips and then aviation !
The more China gets stronger in these high tech sectors. The more poorer the west will get.

People think China can only catchup to US and EU by growing. Nope, they can also catchup by pulling the guys on top down as well. There is also a thinking that China can never be rich cause it will require too much resources. But they do not realise, China could also take away existing resources and money from the west who consumes too much.

The more China move up the value chain, there will be economic crisis and downturn in the west.
 
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