New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

coolgod

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Pardon if this has been posted before, but as someone who's interested in cars (despite not owning a Sports car), I find this article very interesting.

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This sounds retarded. No wonder Toyota is losing the EV race, instead of focusing on efforts to improve battery tech or driver assistance tech, they double down on legacy tech for boomers.
 

HighGround

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This sounds retarded. No wonder Toyota is losing the EV race, instead of focusing on efforts to improve battery tech or driver assistance tech, they double down on legacy tech for boomers.
I think it's a relevant development for future EV sports cars, especially in the West where quite a few people like having a manual shift. IDK how it is outside of the West of course.
 

supersnoop

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I think it's a relevant development for future EV sports cars, especially in the West where quite a few people like having a manual shift. IDK how it is outside of the West of course.
I agree with @coolgod
Not relevant. It might be fun for some, but pretty much the definition of diversionary.

No one in the west likes manual shift. 99% of sales are automatics. Even talking about sports cars, Porsche's automatics sales are 75%
So you are talking about a quarter of an already niche market. Manual transmissions are one of those things people say is so super-awesome, but no one ever actually owns, like Laserdisc or Plasma TVs.

This is like advertising "We removed keyless entry! Don't you miss sticking the key into the door and turning it?"
 

HighGround

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I agree with @coolgod
Not relevant. It might be fun for some, but pretty much the definition of diversionary.

No one in the west likes manual shift. 99% of sales are automatics. Even talking about sports cars, Porsche's automatics sales are 75%
So you are talking about a quarter of an already niche market. Manual transmissions are one of those things people say is so super-awesome, but no one ever actually owns, like Laserdisc or Plasma TVs.

This is like advertising "We removed keyless entry! Don't you miss sticking the key into the door and turning it?"

You are confusing United States with Europe, but in general I don't disagree with the overall point.

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As far as preference. I agree, only a very small minority of users prefer manuals, but that's why I am trying to emphasize that manuals might have relevance for sports cars.
 

supersnoop

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You are confusing United States with Europe, but in general I don't disagree with the overall point.

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As far as preference. I agree, only a very small minority of users prefer manuals, but that's why I am trying to emphasize that manuals might have relevance for sports cars.
That's why I said
Even talking about sports cars, Porsche's automatics sales are 75%
So you are talking about a quarter of an already niche market. Manual transmissions are one of those things people say is so super-awesome, but no one ever actually owns, like Laserdisc or Plasma TVs.

Even in Europe the automatic uptake is growing every year, it is not a preference, it is more of a tradition
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As the article itself said, with the EV and PHEV adoption, this trend will not stall (word choice intentional)
Should the 2030 laws against ICE cars go unchanged, manuals will be consigned to Europe's dustbin of history alongside the Austro-Hungarian Empire

Putting it more succinctly
There are better ways to invest your engineering time/money
 

coolgod

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You are confusing United States with Europe, but in general I don't disagree with the overall point.

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As far as preference. I agree, only a very small minority of users prefer manuals, but that's why I am trying to emphasize that manuals might have relevance for sports cars.
Does Toyota seem like a company that caters to a niche segment, especially in sports cars? If so, then Toyota is even more stupid than I thought.
 
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