New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

mossen

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I'm at a loss of what the protectionist dimwits at the EU HQ in Brussels are planning to do. If they plan to close the market to Chinese imports by prohibitively high tariffs and then spend tens of billions subsidising inferior products for an essentially captive market, then I don't see how that would improve their lack of competitiveness (which is the root cause here).

Moreover, many German firms in particular are very dependent on the Chinese market. So that alone makes me question whether this probe will go anywhere. I still think the odds are long of anything happening, but on the off chance that it does, it would essentially seal the doom of Europe's automotive industry. They need more competition, not less.
 

KYli

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I'm at a loss of what the protectionist dimwits at the EU HQ in Brussels are planning to do. If they plan to close the market to Chinese imports by prohibitively high tariffs and then spend tens of billions of subsidising inferior products for an essentially captive market, then I don't see how that would improve their lack of competitiveness (which is the root cause here).

Moreover, many German firms in particular are very dependent on the Chinese market. So that alone makes me question whether this probe will go anywhere. I still think the odds are long of anything happening, but on the off chance that it does, it would essentially seal the doom of Europe's automotive industry. They need more competition, not less.
A better strategy is to invite a few Chinese EV and batteries makers with incentives to help building up the supplies chain. At the same time, EU should hand out incentives for domestic automakers to speed up the adoption of EV. With a complete and competitive supplies chain by inviting Chinese automakers, most EU automakers can source their parts domestically cheaply to remain competitive.

The bigger issue is the US at least has Tesla but both EU and Japan don't seem to have many EV startups. They are mostly relied upon old legacy automakers to transform. Just like the big 3 in the US, there are too much special interests for old legacy automakers to drag their feet.
 

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"Three Gorges Hydrogen Ship-1" is China's first inland waterway vessel powered by hydrogen fuel cells. The boat, as a technology demo, conducted her maiden voyage in Yichang, a port city on the Yangtze river in Hubei.

With a battery pack that has the power output of 500kW, this boat can speed up to 28km/h. It can reach 200kms max when cruising at the modest speed of 20km/h. Every year this boat is expected to save 103 tons of fossil fuel and reduce carbon emission by 343 tons.

Downstream of the Three Gorges Dam, A demo hydrogen fuel station is built for the boat to make and store "green" hydrogen with the electricity generated by the Three Gorges Dam powerstation.

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人民网北京10月11日电 (记者杜燕飞)今日,我国首艘氢燃料电池动力示范船“三峡氢舟1”号在湖北宜昌三峡游客中心(九码头)完成首航,标志氢燃料电池技术在内河船舶应用实现突破。据测算,与传统燃油动力船舶相比,“三峡氢舟1”号预计每年可替代燃油103.16吨,减少二氧化碳排放343.67吨,对加快内河航运绿色低碳发展具有示范意义。

据介绍,“三峡氢舟1”号为钢铝复合结构,总长49.9米、型宽10.4米、型深3.2米,乘客定额80人,主要采用氢燃料电池动力系统,氢燃料电池额定输出功率500千瓦,最高航速28公里/小时,巡航航速20公里/小时,续航里程可达200公里,交付后用于三峡库区及三峡葛洲坝两坝间交通、巡查、应急等工作。该船由长江电力、中国船舶第七一二研究所、长江三峡通航管理局、中国船级社、武汉长江船舶设计院、江龙船艇等单位共同研发建造,是国内首艘入级中国船级社氢燃料电池动力船。

业内人士表示,近年来,新能源动力推进技术应用已经成为绿色船舶的重要发展方向,氢能具有无污染、可再生、高效率三大优势,氢燃料电池技术在船舶上应用可实现能源高效、零排放和船舶舒适度提升,是绿色船舶的理想动力推进装置。

此前发布的《氢能产业发展中长期规划(2021-2035年)》指出,有序推进交通领域示范应用。积极探索燃料电池在船舶、航空器等领域的应用,推动大型氢能航空器研发,不断提升交通领域氢能应用市场规模。

据介绍,“三峡氢舟1”号能源补给站为位于三峡工程下游杨家湾码头的“中国三峡绿电绿氢示范站”,该示范站是国内首个内河码头型制氢加氢一体站,利用三峡电站发出的清洁电能进行电解水制氢,氢气经过压缩、储存、加注等环节,直接供给氢能源船舶。
 

ficker22

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I am in Wilhelmshaven right now and there are thousands of BYD and MG cars freshly shipped here.

Distribution was roughly 50/50 for BYD and MG.

I will make fotos when I can at that moment my phone was dead.


Normally all those car imports from far east go to Bremerhaven but because there is just to much of them they also off load them at Wilhelmshaven.
Chinese are here and they gonna stay.


When I came on Tuesday there where even more BYDs


Byds are ATTO 3 and MG are MG4
 

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ficker22

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Just a reminder how large the parking area is and you have to take my word that on tuesday it was FULL.


We now have 6:50 PM and the guys are still loading cars onto trucks
 

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tankphobia

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It's not marketing talk. The science is very straight forward that LFP is significantly more stable when on the receiving end of physical damage.
You can actually just puncture LFP batteries and they would simply smoke a lot without auto-ignition, at least that have been my experience with hobbyist batteries. However you definitely don't won't to breathe in the smoke and if a fire source is introduced to the battery it'll likely be still quite flammable.
 

henrik

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A better strategy is to invite a few Chinese EV and batteries makers with incentives to help building up the supplies chain. At the same time, EU should hand out incentives for domestic automakers to speed up the adoption of EV. With a complete and competitive supplies chain by inviting Chinese automakers, most EU automakers can source their parts domestically cheaply to remain competitive.

The bigger issue is the US at least has Tesla but both EU and Japan don't seem to have many EV startups. They are mostly relied upon old legacy automakers to transform. Just like the big 3 in the US, there are too much special interests for old legacy automakers to drag their feet.

volkswagen is doing really well in EV.
 
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