New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

luminary

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I would be fine with Tesla gaining market share if they didn't have all these idiotic anti-human features.

That's my biggest problem with these techy EV companies. They're negatively influencing traditional automakers to throw away decades of ergonomic design improvements in the name of modernity and sleekness.

Normal instrument cluster, normal gearshifter, normal ac vents, button controls are simply the most intuitive and easy to use. It's nice to be able to get in a car and drive normally without having to relearn things.

But these manufacturers are like nah, here's a screen and some weird gear shifter, and you need 30 minutes to learn how to navigate the UI to adjust things. Oh, and it differs from car to car so you have to relearn it everytime.
Dangerous too.

Having the dashboard in the middle is a dangerous distraction. Old X-Trail models used to have them. Besides having to look side way and moving your head to read or setting the dashboard, it is very inconvenient for right-hand drive drivers. Maybe ok for left-hand drive cars such as those in China and US. One reason they put it in the middle is because they can make both left and right-hand drive cars with less modifications.
Exactly. Ford and GM did studies decades ago when they were experimenting with touchscreens and digital interfaces proving that such setups very significantly increased distractions for drivers and frequency of crashes. The driver should be able to identify each unique knob by touch so they never need to remove their eyes from the road.
 

meedicx

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Dangerous too.


Exactly. Ford and GM did studies decades ago when they were experimenting with touchscreens and digital interfaces proving that such setups very significantly increased distractions for drivers and frequency of crashes. The driver should be able to identify each unique knob by touch so they never need to remove their eyes from the road.

In China, drivers of new EVs use the voice AI to control the vehicle why driving instead of pressing buttons; it's a much better experience. New EVs all have their own dedicated SIM card and internet access since mobile data is so cheap in China.
 

supercat

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Human Horizons and Saudi Arabia's investment ministry formed a joint venture for $5.6 billion to conduct automotive research, development, manufacturing and sales. Major Chinese EV companies have all turned their focus to different region as domestic competition has become so fierce.
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That's the reason Saudi Arabia and many other countries are willing to accept yuan. They can actually use RBM/CNY to acquire all kinds of technologies, business opportunities, and tangible goods from China.

I was wondering why Changan/CATL/Huawei's Deepal/Shenlan S7 has such a small dashboard. It turns out that it has a holographic HUD.
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Some say G6 is XPeng's make-or-break model.
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450 km is approx. 250 miles.
Chinese EV startup Li Auto announced at the 20th Shanghai International Automobile Industry Exhibition in April that its new model will be the first powered by CATL’s 4C Qilin battery, which can charge in 10 minutes for a range of 400 km.
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During Jan - May 2023, China's car export increased 86%, while EV export rose 160%. China is on the way to export more than 4.2 million units this year - almost certainly the largest auto exporter in the world.
 

HighGround

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CATL to build new factory in Thailand
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And as posted in other threads. HiPhi building major plant in Saudi Arabia for $5.6B
You mentioned earlier that you want BYD and CATL to build factories in Western Europe. Maybe I ask why? In my opinion, it's dangerous to invest so much money into countries that might confiscate that capital equipment if United States asks them to.
 

tphuang

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You mentioned earlier that you want BYD and CATL to build factories in Western Europe. Maybe I ask why? In my opinion, it's dangerous to invest so much money into countries that might confiscate that capital equipment if United States asks them to.
because if you want to sell in Europe, you need to build factories in Europe. Why is it so hard to understand?
 

mossen

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if you want to sell in Europe, you need to build factories in Europe. Why is it so hard to understand?
Last I checked, Hungary is in Europe. I think you're being unnecessarily rude to HighGround. His point about geopolitical risk is correct. Problem is that there are few countries that are resistant to US pressure in Europe and Hungary is a standout. I suspect France might be another.
 

tphuang

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Last I checked, Hungary is in Europe. I think you're being unnecessarily rude to HighGround. His point about geopolitical risk is correct. Problem is that there are few countries that are resistant to US pressure in Europe and Hungary is a standout. I suspect France might be another.
Not really. People are too crazy about this worries of confiscation. Hungary has no pull in EU. If you think Chinese automakers can build all their factories in Hungary and be good to go, you are sorely mistaken.

Aside from the fact that Hungary is too small in terms of population size to support this, the blowback from France, Germany & Italy will be huge.

The end goal of BYD with any plant is to sell in Europe. There is enormous pressure from European automakers to stop BYD from gaining market share in Europe. The only realistic way to combat that is to build factories in countries that have large automakers. So France, Germany & Italy. As such, BYD will build a plant in one of these countries.

I said a while back that BYD would build plants in Vietnam and Indonesia and that has turned out to be true. These things are not rocket science to figure out.
 
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