New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

Philister

Philister

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broadsword said:
Yes, investments! If you think the industry has already reached the pinnacle of technology, why would they need to invest in R&D? You see CATL, BYD and others continuing their research.

Dude, if you have been following developments, you would see new innovations and breakthroughs coming out of labs every now and then. If you think the Kirin, LMFP, etc are the end of the road, stay tuned.

The path is still a long way ahead. There are many chemical recipes to experiment as many ingredients can be used to make batteries.

Just look at the solar cell technology. It's still evolving.

SMH.
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No, I do think battery will keep evolving, but more like step by step, not leaping forward like this, if you are comparing battery with solar panels, you are very much spot on, solar panels follows the same path, step by step , the technology advancement is more about cost&lifespan&durability
Battery isn’t there yet, but soon enough we’ll get there, as you can see, half solid has been mass produced, so would be solid state in a year or two, but as I’ve said ,it’s a long but steady process.
 
Philister

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3min 0-100% is like 20C, you gonna need liquid nitrogen to cool that shit down, it’s now 4C max and everybody is using water cooling chargers now, it’s either voltage or amps, choose between electrify the driver or burning the whole parking lot
 
broadsword

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Philister said:
3min 0-100% is like 20C, you gonna need liquid nitrogen to cool that shit down, it’s now 4C max and everybody is using water cooling chargers now, it’s either voltage or amps, choose between electrify the driver or burning the whole parking lot
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Don't waste your time, dude. Just show me a link where people are flagging and you will make me a very happy man.
 
Staedler

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broadsword said:
Don't waste your time, dude. Just show me a link where people are flagging and you will make me a very happy man.
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Look, that's not how this works. You're the one that made the extraordinary claim that the Chinese EV giants are falling behind compared to this startup. The burden of proof is on you.

If you're a true believer in the startup, that's your business - just don't expect the rest of us to agree.
 
broadsword

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Staedler said:
Look, that's not how this works. You're the one that made the extraordinary claim that the Chinese EV giants are falling behind compared to this startup. The burden of proof is on you.

If you're a true believer in the startup, that's your business - just don't expect the rest of us to agree.
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My proof is there is no Chinese battery that can be fully charged in 3 minutes. We will have one that can be charged in 5 made by Eve battery but developed by Storedot of Israel. That's as far as claim goes. It's up to you to prove otherwise preferably with a link.

There's that and we can disagree hereafter. In the meantime, if you can find a smoking gun, you will make me feel like I won a grand prize.
 
Philister

Philister

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broadsword said:
Don't waste your time, dude. Just show me a link where people are flagging and you will make me a very happy man.
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lol, you are obviously lacking some basic common sense here, high amps and low voltage design used to make Tesla more flammable even though their heat control was way ahead of their counterparts and years of investments made 800V platforms affordable . If you think 20C is just a battery thing , I suggest you have a brain surgery
 
broadsword

broadsword

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Philister said:
lol, you are obviously lacking some basic common sense here, high amps and low voltage design used to make Tesla more flammable even though their heat control was way ahead of their counterparts and years of investments made 800V platforms affordable . If you think 20C is just a battery thing , I suggest you have a brain surgery
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Weren't you the one talking about investment?
Anyway, fuck off with your asshole reply. Don't bother to engage me if you can't talk normally.
 
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Michaelsinodef

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broadsword said:
My proof is there is no Chinese battery that can be fully charged in 3 minutes. We will have one that can be charged in 5 made by Eve battery but developed by Storedot of Israel. That's as far as claim goes. It's up to you to prove otherwise preferably with a link.

There's that and we can disagree hereafter. In the meantime, if you can find a smoking gun, you will make me feel like I won a grand prize.
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Staedler said:
This company has been talking about this 3D battery since it was founded in 2009. Its now 14 years since inception and it's still doing funding rounds instead of producing a product. They literally got a Series E just a few days ago (May 15). Series E! And they obviously don't have another product!

I've also done a search for articles mentioning them and in every one it's always "could show up in products by the end of the next year". Seen this in articles from 2015, 2017, etc. etc. Their own company website is filled with stock images and videos and no actual photo of their physical product.

Their press release said their results were "validated by a third-party accredited battery testing lab". Who was the lab and why don't they mention their actual name? Not to mention the only things the press release says was validated was the 3-minutes charging time, operating temperatures, and non-flammability. The Wh/kg , lifecycle, etc. weren't even validated!

They also tout how their production method is cleaner and greener because they are water-based. But water-based manufacturing of lithium batteries (which is what they're doing) requires oodles of de-ionized water. Research papers such as (
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) seem to just hand-wave away water procurement issues. So where is this Colorado-based company going to set up their pilot factory? It surely can't be the water-starved western USA.

Honestly feels like a scam the more I read about it.
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Their press release said their results were "validated by a third-party accredited battery testing lab". Who was the lab and why don't they mention their actual name? Not to mention the only things the press release says was validated was the 3-minutes charging time, operating temperatures, and non-flammability. The Wh/kg , lifecycle, etc. weren't even validated!
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