New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

lol, this forum cracks me up sometimes.
I've never looked at a car's warranty before I bought one. In fact, I didn't even know what my Model Y warranty was until this BYD controversy came up. Guess what, 4 years is all they offer outside of the batteries.

I think the 3100 AUD charges for check-ups would be a bigger issue.

So it's confirmed. The cars entering European market will be Han, Tang and Atto 3. I'm surprised they are not bringing Seal here.

Frigate 07 is now unveiled.
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It does seem awfully like Tang in terms of its size. Tang seems to be more premium at this point. I guess this is more designed for export market in mind. We will see. Also, it's price is not that competitive.

Seal pre-order has surpassed 80k now.

Completely agree regarding the lineup. I am really disappointed that they are not exporting the Song to Western markets and no successor either. The MPV/minivan market is there, especially for EVs, and especially if they equip it with AWD.
 

sndef888

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I wonder why new car from BAIC is not selling well, it looks great not only on paper, but also has great visuals.

Some stuff I've heard from browsing Chinese social media: BAIC is badly managed and has a reputation for producing 工业垃圾 (industrial garbage). And arcfox alpha s is way overpriced even though it's good looking. It starts at over 400k
 

getready

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Then they deserve to lose some customers if they can't provide market leading warranty. There are dozens of Chinese EV makers and several that are well vertically integrated. BYD does well in China in part because they can offer quick and effective support. No consumer would trust a brand without a decent warranty and the support network to back up that warranty quickly and effectively. I would not touch a BYD car unless there is a dealer network, repair centres, and a class leading warranty. It doesn't have to be some outlier warranty, just 7 years for the car's non perishables and class leading warranty for the battery which BYD pretty much does offer. A car is so much more than just batteries or drivetrain etc. Everything onboard matters even how (if any) it rattles 10 years down the road.
I dun know. It doesn't have to be industry leadin imo. As long as it can compete favorably with others. How does it compare with Tesla and other car companies here? EV market in Aus is pretty shit and in need of more choices and types anyway. Warranty is just part of the package.. You also have to look at price, performance, reliability etc. If it's proven to be reliable, people won't care so much about having industry leading warranty
 

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Here is the reason why they had to develop the new Ocean series. Han and Tang are simply too hard to be adopted for RHD markets. While that is not a huge loss, it is why we will never see Tang in UK, Japan and Australia.
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My guess is because Han and Tang are available as gas powered car/PHEV there is still a lot of mechanical linkages, the biggest being Transmission.
With full EV, since it's all electronically controlled, it should be trivial. They could probably do the EV versions, but I can see the business sense of not doing so when there are new products in the pipeline.
 

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How time has changed: the Toyota bZ3 will have BYD electric motors and batteries.
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Is Electric Viking jumping the shark here? He also reaffirms his opinion that BYD Dolphin will be the best selling EV in the world if BYD's production can keep up the pace.

After Nio, GAC is another EV maker that wants to make their own batteries:
 

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BYD on Aug 24th used RoRo shipping surface to transport 221 cars from Changsha to Shanghai for export market.

on 26th, they signed a 336 million RMB at Nanning for land needed to build factory for the 45 GWh battery factory that it announced previously
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Western media catching onto BYD looking into premium market
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BYD looking into local production in Europe. This shouldn't be a surprise given that they are already talking about local production in Thailand, Brazil and India.
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In WNEVC2022 (World NEV Conference 2022) in Beijing, the standing vice president of the China Association for Science and Technology gave a speech about hydrogen energy in China.

According to speech, the size of hydrogen energy industry and market of China are "leading the world". The hydrogen energy supply chain in the country is about to expand from focusing on NEVs to applications in multiple domains.

China produced 34.66 million tonnes of hydrogen in 2021, the most in the world. China is the largest market for fuel cell powered vehicles. It also has more hydrogen refueling stations than any other countries.

By end of 2021, more than 2000+ Chinese companies have business in hydrogen energy. About 150 of them are public traded. More than 640 of these 2000+ companies are newly registered in 2021, a 5% percent increase YOY.

北京8月26日电 (记者 孙自法)中国科学技术协会(中国科协)党组书记、分管日常工作副主席、书记处第一书记张玉卓院士26日说,中国氢能产业发展已经具备良好的现实基础,氢能产业市场规模全球领先,产业链正由燃料电池汽车单点突破迈向多元应用场景的系统提升。

张玉卓介绍说,中国是全球最大的产氢国,去年氢气产量统计是3466万吨。目前中国还是全球最大的燃料电池商用车市场,加氢站拥有量全球第一,氢能市场投融资热度不断提高,氢能产业相关企业注册数量创近十年新高,截至2021年底,中国已经有氢能相关企业超过2000家,涉氢上市公司150多家;2021年氢能相关企业注册量超过640家,比前一年增加5%。同时,中国已正式发布《氢能产业发展中长期规划(2021-2035)》。

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mostonhel

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In WNEVC2022 (World NEV Conference 2022) in Beijing, the standing vice president of the China Association for Science and Technology gave a speech about hydrogen energy in China.

According to speech, the size of hydrogen energy industry and market of China are "leading the world". The hydrogen energy supply chain in the country is about to expand from focusing on NEVs to applications in multiple domains.

China produced 34.66 million tonnes of hydrogen in 2021, the most in the world. China is the largest market for fuel cell powered vehicles. It also has more hydrogen refueling stations than any other countries.

By end of 2021, more than 2000+ Chinese companies have business in hydrogen energy. About 150 of them are public traded. More than 640 of these 2000+ companies are newly registered in 2021, a 5% percent increase YOY.

北京8月26日电 (记者 孙自法)中国科学技术协会(中国科协)党组书记、分管日常工作副主席、书记处第一书记张玉卓院士26日说,中国氢能产业发展已经具备良好的现实基础,氢能产业市场规模全球领先,产业链正由燃料电池汽车单点突破迈向多元应用场景的系统提升。

张玉卓介绍说,中国是全球最大的产氢国,去年氢气产量统计是3466万吨。目前中国还是全球最大的燃料电池商用车市场,加氢站拥有量全球第一,氢能市场投融资热度不断提高,氢能产业相关企业注册数量创近十年新高,截至2021年底,中国已经有氢能相关企业超过2000家,涉氢上市公司150多家;2021年氢能相关企业注册量超过640家,比前一年增加5%。同时,中国已正式发布《氢能产业发展中长期规划(2021-2035)》。

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Hydrogen economy is an absolutely scam.
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This "China Association for Science and Technology" is indeed bad to China, very sad reality, profitting from state money.
 

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Interesting look at the future of Chinese EV battery domination - opportunities and headwinds in Europe and the US:

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China and US sign audit deal, first step in avoiding NYSE delistings of Chinese stocks. I'm interested to see how this plays out in the long run; as Chinese companies become more widespread the US is sure to pull shenanigans.

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