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Jeff Head

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Saw Croods with three grandsons today. A really fun and entertaining movie, and not just for kids. Astounding animations sequences, and a great story. I would recommend anyone take their grandkids, their kids, our your spouse...or justy go yourself...for some good clean fun, interesting and humorous entertainment.
 

AssassinsMace

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I love the reaction to this. People are literally upset that China gets their own Iron Man 3 version with added footage. And they ain't really crying about censorship if there's any. You saw the opposite outrage that Django Unchained only got one minute edited out for the Chinese release with people upset that more wasn't cut out based on the controversy in the US.
 

Jeff Head

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I'll be seeing a double feature on Saturday (tomorrow). "Host," and "G.I. Joe: Retaliation."

Hehehe, me and my two sons and a son-in-law are going to do the "Man Cave" thing at the local theater matninee! About 6 hours worth. LOL!

But gotta get the Honey Do's all done by 1:30 PM in order to make it.
 

Jeff Head

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Well, we went ahead and saw the two movies today...double feature and a great time.

1st: GI Joe Realiation:. GREAT movie. If you liked GI Joe: The Rise of Cobraa, or if you like military techno thriller with a lot of action, see this movie. No spoiler, but the fight on the cliff sides is AWESOME. Good "shoot 'em up," and myself and my two sons all went together to see it.

2nd: Host. After the first movie, my son Jared went into the Mountains with his faincee and some friends, but Jeff called his wife Jolene, and my wife Gail came and the four of us watched Host. Excelent, and very intriguing movie. Great story line and decent acting. Wholesome movie that was great for a date...and now I will buy the book and read it too!
 
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Fearing Chinese Censors, Paramount Changes 'World War Z' (Exclusive)
The WrapBy Lucas Shaw | The Wrap – 2 hours 43 minutes ago...


When executives at Paramount viewed the latest cut of the $175 million Brad Pitt zombie film "World War Z," they were not concerned by the violence or its reengineered ending. They were worried about a minor plot point that involved a sensitive topic: China.

In the offending scene, characters debate the geographic origin of an outbreak that caused a zombie apocalypse and point to China, a Paramount executive told TheWrap.

Normally the detail would not have merited discussion at the top echelons of the studio. But given the fast-rising prominence of the Chinese market, state censorship and the quotas for U.S. releases, the studio advised the movie producers to drop the reference to China and cite a different country as a possible source of the pandemic, an executive with knowledge of the film told TheWrap.

The change was made in recent days in the hopes of landing a deal for one of Paramount's biggest summer movies to play in China, the world's fastest-growing film market.

"It's not a huge plot point," an individual with knowledge of the studio's plans told TheWrap. "But it's safe to say [they're] going to want a release there."

China passed Japan as the largest international source of box office revenue in 2012, contributing $2.7 billion, a 36 percent increase over the previous year. And some analysts say the Asian giant will pass the United States in standalone box office revenue by 2020.

While China has loosened its restrictions on the number of foreign films that can screen in the country, its film board continues to wield a great deal of influence, causing unprecedented changes in plots, release strategies, casting and other elements of Hollywood production.

Marvel Studios announced on Friday it would release an alternate version of "Iron Man 3" in China featuring China's leading movie star Fan Bingbing, as well as offer specially prepared bonus footage made exclusively for the Chinese audience.

Marvel had initially planned "Iron Man 3" as a Chinese co-production, a tactic that has been taken with films like "Looper" and "The Karate Kid," in part because co-productions are not subject to China's quota for imported films. Chinese censors must still approve them.

In the case of "The Karate Kid," censors objected to the Chinese villain, so Sony cut 12 minutes of the film to secure a release, which came later than initially planned.

"If you're going to shoot a film that will be released in China, [scrutiny] is inevitable," David Franzoni, the Oscar-winning producer and screenwriter, told TheWrap. Franzoni would know better than most since he wrote the script for a drama being produced by the Chinese government's investment fund, the Xi'an Qujian Film & TV Investment Group. Antoine Fuqua will direct the 8th century tale of a love affair between a Chinese general and one of the emperor's concubines.

Franzoni said the Chinese film board approved his treatment but then found flaws in the script. He must now choose between fictionalizing the tale or changing his take on history enough to mollify the censors.

"Theoretically they can make you reshoot scenes," Franzoni said, comparing the film board's scrutiny to studio notes. "They have a lot of power so you want to try to be sure you have it all down the first time."

While Franzoni tries to avoid running afoul of censors before production begins, in other cases studios don't alter their movies until post-production. Chinese censors cut large chunks out of several movies released last year, including 40 minutes from "Cloud Atlas" and 12 minutes from "Men in Black 3," excising all scenes in Chinatown.

They also cut parts of the latest James Bond film, "Skyfall," including a scene that featured the assassination of a nameless Chinese security guard.

The elimination of that sequence had little bearing on the final creative product, and keeping it in the film was not worth surrendering the Chinese market.

Similarly, the minor alteration to a $240 million dollar zombie film will go unnoticed by viewers, but it speaks to the substantial influence China is having on American cinema.

"The Chinese Communist Party wants to have a unified message," Stanley Rosen, director of USC's East Asian Studies Center who has also published articles and a book on film, told TheWrap. "They are getting better in terms of what subject matter is allowed to be shown, but worse in terms of remaining hyper-sensitive to anything that puts China in a bad light."

In the case of "World War Z," Paramount didn't wait for Chinese censors to view the film. Before screening it for anyone in China and negotiating for distribution, the executives recommended the change.

"Just the fact that China somehow is the origin of a pandemic with the food safety problem and the SARS epidemic, that would never get approved in China," Rosen added. "They are wise in taking that out."

Rosen, who believes studios will soon have to make movies specifically for the Chinese marketplace, said he was surprised Paramount felt "World War Z" stood a chance of gaining distribution in China. The country has strict laws outlawing any movies that deal with magic, horror or superstition.

China only opened its market to the Hollywood studios in 1994, when its own film industry had reached its nadir. "It wasn't out of admiration for Hollywood but to save the Chinese film industry," Rosen said. "People weren't going to the movies."

At the time, China only permitted 10 foreign movies to screen, then increased it to 20 before the current total of 34. Those additional 14 slots are all reserved for IMAX or 3D films.

Most of the American movies that succeed in China are big-budget blockbusters like "Avatar" and "The Amazing Spider-Man," where a creative decision is influenced as much by box office implications as any artistic ideal.

"If you're making a film about a zombie apocalypse, you're not going to worry about the integrity of the filmmaker," Rosen said. "You're trying to make money."

It's ironic to suggest what the Chinese do to Hollywood movies might trample on creative and artistic integrity. To what I understand from readers of the World War Z book, the movie in general takes a bulldozer to it from what has been leaked about it so far.
 

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China Box Office: Local Films Rule First Quarter of 2013

9:19 AM PDT 4/1/2013 by Clarence Tsui, Karen Chu


Bolstered by the runaway success of homegrown blockbusters, Chinese filmmakers have taken nearly 70 percent of total ticket sales in the first three months of the year.


HONG KONG – Three months into 2013 and the gloomy predictions for China’s local film industry which haunted 2012 has seemingly dissipated, with figures showing homegrown productions earning twice the amount of imports during the first quarter of the year.

Foreign Box Office: 'Die Hard' Hangs On to Top Spot While China Propels 'Hobbit' Past $1 Billion

According to aggregates of weekly earnings figures released by the state-backed China Film News blog and the much-visited authoritative Dianyingpiaofangba (Chinese Film Box Office) portal, total box office takings from January to March stand at $830.6 million (5.15 billion yuan), representing a year-on-year increase of 38 percent.

Earnings of Chinese films took up about 69 percent of the takings, with the total of $569.3 million (3.53 billion yuan) doubling the total revenue generated by local films during the same period in 2012. It’s a figure bolstered by strong performances from Stephen Chow Sing-chi’s Journey to the West: Conquering the Demons, which has now taken $200 million (1.24 billion yuan), and Wong Kar-wai’s The Grandmaster, the second highest-grossing new release with $46.3 million (287 million yuan).

The boom was also due to the stamina of December releases such as Lost in Thailand and CZ12, which has added $42.3 million (262 million yuan) and $55.5 million (344 million yuan) to its tallies in 2013. The former remains the highest-grossing local release in China ever with total takings of $203.2 million (1.26 billion yuan), ahead of the still-running Journey by just $24.2 million (150 million yuan).

Riding on the buzz created by Lost in Thailand and the festive goodwill shown by local audiences on homegrown fare films, Chinese-language comedies have enjoyed remarkable runs as 2013 rolled in. Joining Say Yes ($32.3 million/200 million yuan in February) is Finding Mr Right, a Seattle-set romantic comedy which has now generated $38.9 million (241 million yuan) since its March 21 release; and The Chef, The Actor and The Scoundrel, which has clocked up $12.3 million (76 million yuan) since it opened on Mar. 29.

Such strong performances have put international blockbusters into the shade, as Hollywood products fared poorly this quarter with takings of just $261.3 million (1.62 billion yuan) – a drop of 23 percent compared to the same period last year. Such a decline is down to tent-pole releases failing to spring to life: the highest-grossing import, Skyfall, only took $60.8 million (377 million yuan), followed by the $50.8 million (315 million yuan) generated by The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey.

Third on the import rankings is A Good Day to Die Hard ($31.6 million/196 million yuan, still on release), followed by Cloud Atlas (a surprisingly competent result of $27.4 million/170 million yuan) and Resident Evil 5: Retribution (U$17.3 million/107 million yuan and counting).

While Skyfall and The Hobbit could be seen as having a slow roll-out in China, some Hollywood hits petered out with lackluster results: Jack Reacher, for example, took just U$16.2 million (100.2 million yuan), with Les Miserables failing to capitalize on its Oscars exposure with just $11 million (62.8 million yuan). Jack the Giant Slayer continued its miserable run in China: despite having already been released for seven days, the film only took U$6.8 million (42 million yuan), eclipsed by the strong run of Oz: The Great and Powerful, which now stands as the ninth highest-grossing import of in the first quarter of 2013 with takings of over U$9 million (56 million yuan) since its release on Mar. 29.

With April's Hollywood imports hardly in the blockbuster league - with Django Unchained being the one release with better prospects of making a killing in China - good news for the U.S. studios will only arrive in May when Iron Man 3 – set partially in Beijing and starring local A-listers Wang Xueqi and Fan Bingbing – unspools in China.

In Hong Kong, where earnings are counted independently from the rest of China, it’s Bruce Willis who reigned supreme at the box office. A Good Day to Die Hard topped the city’s box office for the first quarter, raking in $3.7 million (HK$28.6 million), according to the Hong Kong Motion Pictures Industry Association. Journey to the West follows closely, with a U$3.6 million (HK$28.2 million) take in director Chow’s hometown – arguably a measly sum compared with the film’s Chinese box office gross. The Grandmaster came third, grossing $2.7 million (HK$21.3 million). The still-running Oz the Great and Powerful is the only March release that shows promise, with a $2 million (HK$15.6 million) take since its March 7 opening.

Overall box office for the first three months of 2013 (until Mar. 28) totaled $43.4 million (HK$336.6 million), a 1.9 percent drop from the same period last year, when total takings were $44.2 million (HK$343 million). The difference might be attributed to the $4.5 million (HK$35 million) take of January 2012 release of Journey 2: The Mysterious Island, whereas none of the 2013 releases so far has broken the HK$30-million ($3.9 million) mark.

Interesting how just mere months ago the Western entertainment media was gloating how Hollywood reigned in the Chinese box office. I certainly hope this is in part due to such smug sentiment.
 

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Interesting how just mere months ago the Western entertainment media was gloating how Hollywood reigned in the Chinese box office. I certainly hope this is in part due to such smug sentiment.

Hollywood smugness may have been a contributing factor with Hollywood taking it for granted that Chinese audiences will throw money at their films no matter what they made or how crassly they depict China and Chinese characters (its quite clear that the main reason Hollywood studios are tweaking their scripts to tone down the China bashing is because of their fear of the censors. If there was no risk of the films not getting shown because of the censors, I have no doubt we would still be seeing offensive and semi racists depictions of China and Chinese characters in mainstream films).

However, I think the sampling of that article is suspect as well. It has traditionally been the big budget Hollywood block busters that have done well in China, but we are only in Spring, and there has been precious few of those from Hollywood so far this year. Wait until the Summer and Autumn when the big releases of the year takes place and it may be a different picture.

Only time will tell if the success Chinese films enjoyed so far this year is the start of a new trend or just a blip.
 
It's ironic to suggest what the Chinese do to Hollywood movies might trample on creative and artistic integrity. To what I understand from readers of the World War Z book, the movie in general takes a bulldozer to it from what has been leaked about it so far.

honestly if they don't villianize china and degrade asians all the time in their movies, they won't have so much problems to start with. the fact is, hollywood is uber-racist, and what they do now means nothing because they still havent fix their racist ways. they are only doing all these for money
 

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honestly if they don't villianize china and degrade asians all the time in their movies, they won't have so much problems to start with. the fact is, hollywood is uber-racist, and what they do now means nothing because they still havent fix their racist ways. they are only doing all these for money

What Hollywood produces reflects the society's attitude towards their subject matters. If Hollywood constantly produces films that are degrading to Chinese, then the society that funds and composes Hollywood obviously tolerate such portryals. This is of course a generalisation, however, IF the majority of Western society do believe that the portrayal of Chinese are degrading in many Hollywood films and believe that Hollywood should stop with these portrayals, then Hollywood would have stopped long ago. Unfortunately, Hollywood shows no sign of stopping with portraying Chinese in a degrading manner and thus the logic from this is that Western society generally still tolerates the belittling of Chinese in their media. Granted, most Westerners probably don't even know that such portrayals are insulting to Chinese hence their lack of concern regarding this matter.

I see very little hope of clarification of the Chinese stance on such issues because no Western media would report on it. Even if they do, their reports will be judged according to Western standards and probably with a dose of US government-funded bias as well.

Take for example China's long standing stance on Japan's duty to apologise sincerely for her crimes. In Western eyes, it is portrayed as a petty and childish grudge because Western society have not endured genocide on such a massive scale for a very long time in their history and do not understand the pain and anger felt by the Chinese. This is compounded by the further humiliation and damage suffered by China during the 'century of humiliation' immediately preceding the Japanese invasion. Since when was the last time that France, England or the US had an entire 2 centuries of their history being subjected to such degrading and brutal treatment? Western society simply cannot understand the Chinese or Korean attitude towards such matters, neither can many distinguish the themes that are insulting to Chinese society in Hollywood films because to them, such portrayals are routine and the norm.

There is a case when Western society has really comprehended the scale of devastation and pain felt by another group of people, namely the Jews and their treatment during the Holocaust. Will Hollywood dare to make an anti-Semitic film that glorifies Nazism and Nazi ideals? Of course not, because Western society is aware of the stigma attached to such a film. Hollywood might produce films as insulting to the Chinese as Holocaust-denial is as insulting to Jews but their overwhelming audience will not even be aware of such effects. Too few of the West knows the plight of the Chinese except what is spoon-fed to them by CNN, Foxnews, BBC and the Dalai Lama. Until China's predicament and concerns are understood by the West as well as the Holocaust is, expect films that belittle Chinese to continued to be made.
 
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