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Obi Wan Russell

Jedi Master
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Have to disagree, for one thing ep 1 of season 2 takes place only hours after the end of season 1, which itself means the 'zombie apocalypse' was not much more than a month ago. It takes people time to adjust to new circumstances, and it'll take a lot longer than a few months before they all make the transition completely. Season 2 is a little slow through the middle, but the final three eps are a roller coaster, culminating in a finale as grand as anything seen in the first season.

Remember these people aren't highly trained marines, they are a rag tag bunch of civilians who have randomly managed to not get bitten in the first four or five weeks of the fall of civilisation, as much by luck as by judgement. Don't expect them to turn into supermen and women so soon, they are human and fallible. Mistakes will be made in the circumstances, otherwise there wouldn't be much drama.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Have to disagree, for one thing ep 1 of season 2 takes place only hours after the end of season 1, which itself means the 'zombie apocalypse' was not much more than a month ago. It takes people time to adjust to new circumstances, and it'll take a lot longer than a few months before they all make the transition completely. Season 2 is a little slow through the middle, but the final three eps are a roller coaster, culminating in a finale as grand as anything seen in the first season.

Remember these people aren't highly trained marines, they are a rag tag bunch of civilians who have randomly managed to not get bitten in the first four or five weeks of the fall of civilisation, as much by luck as by judgement. Don't expect them to turn into supermen and women so soon, they are human and fallible. Mistakes will be made in the circumstances, otherwise there wouldn't be much drama.

Keep in mind that I've only seen the first episode so far, so I hope that it gets better.

However, I disagree with the premise of the flaws in the characters. There are two ways real people react to disasters: they collapse and break down, or they take initiative and do everything they can to survive. In a zombie apocalypse, the former type become zombie food in the first few days.

People don't get angsty and petty in the middle of a crisis: they do that *after*. Look at Japan: in the immediate aftermath of the Earthquake and Tsunami, people were organized and acted with purpose. The bickering and recriminations came after everything was stabilized.

So I find it particularly unrealistic that characters would bitch and moan about relationships and death wishes when they could be set upon by a horde of flesh-hungry undead at any moment. Especially in that church: they know zombies are attracted to loud noises, yet they still hang around a church that rang bells that could be heard miles away?
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Yeah you haven't seen the season finale and the series is going to take a different turn thereafter. I have to say the second to last shot of the season finale had to be one of the most disturbing images I've seen for a show made for TV. Makes me wish HBO or another premium cable channel produced this show and we would see it go even further. About the church... they thought Sophie was at the church trying to signal them.

Another spectacular season finale was Spartacus: Vengence. For anyone who hasn't seen the show, it looks like the movie 300 but more bloodier.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The Walking Dead refers to the living. It's a mistake to believe the title refers to the zombies. The allegory is supposed to be that everyone wishes to escape and run away from death. The zombies represent the death everyone wishes to avoid figuratively and literally. People do what they do in order to survive when society breaks down. The relationships the main characters have with one another have to do with survival. Dale thinks everyone has to maintain civility in order for humanity to survive. Shane believes everyone has to adjust in order to survive. Rick is still the sheriff trying to maintain order. You see that battle going on. Laurie has returned to basic instincts. Is it Rick or Shane more suited for her survival to which she's conflicted. Yeah a lot of people complained of how slow things were going. You can probably blame that on the budget. I don't know with Hollywood's creative accounting they're notorious for that they create money by some indirect means but Hollywood executive types seem to value the awards. Frank Darabont was fired because he didn't lower the budget for the Walking Dead. Even though the show gets vastly more viewers and makes more money than Mad Men, the other noted show on AMC channel, the latter gets all the awards in all aspects. AMC who produces both shows plunges more money in Mad Men to keep the actors and producers happy. That's probably why the Walking Dead has "dead spots" where there's hardly any zombie killing action. They probably have to budget their money more for their season finales to look spectacular.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
The Walking Dead refers to the living. It's a mistake to believe the title refers to the zombies. The allegory is supposed to be that everyone wishes to escape and run away from death. The zombies represent the death everyone wishes to avoid figuratively and literally. People do what they do in order to survive when society breaks down. The relationships the main characters have with one another have to do with survival. Dale thinks everyone has to maintain civility in order for humanity to survive. Shane believes everyone has to adjust in order to survive. Rick is still the sheriff trying to maintain order. You see that battle going on. Laurie has returned to basic instincts. Is it Rick or Shane more suited for her survival to which she's conflicted. Yeah a lot of people complained of how slow things were going. You can probably blame that on the budget. I don't know with Hollywood's creative accounting they're notorious for that they create money by some indirect means but Hollywood executive types seem to value the awards. Frank Darabont was fired because he didn't lower the budget for the Walking Dead. Even though the show gets vastly more viewers and makes more money than Mad Men, the other noted show on AMC channel, the latter gets all the awards in all aspects. AMC who produces both shows plunges more money in Mad Men to keep the actors and producers happy. That's probably why the Walking Dead has "dead spots" where there's hardly any zombie killing action. They probably have to budget their money more for their season finales to look spectacular.

I just finished watching the Nebraska episode. The bar scene was pretty awesome, and Rick's action confirms my suspicion about the nature of the infection. However, the Laurie thing was so predictable. Come on, you're in a zombie movie, and you drive a car while looking at a map... what do you think is going to happen? :D

I like how the show producers were brave enough to hint at the racism when Herschel keeps referring to Glen as "that Asian boy". It's also not often that we see an Asian guy / white girl romance on screen.

I haven't read the comics, but I've read *about* them. The first season seemed like the show was going to significantly deviate from the source material, but now it seems we're slowly getting back on track. The setup with Carl learning how to shoot is pretty obvious.

I really don't mind the "dead spots", but it's when the characters act unreasonably idiotic that it gets on my nerves. Case in point: Laurie.

Also, maybe it's because I've watched too many zombie movies, but I get annoyed by the ridiculous lax security that the show's characters have. Running off alone into woods, exploring abandoned houses, lack of any perimeter defenses around the farm, etc. If this was a Romero movie, those guys would have been bitten 20 times already. :D
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I haven't read the comic book either and Robert Kirkman, the creator, has said the TV show will not follow exactly with the comics. Darryl is not in the comic book and by season's end you'll see there's some character events from the comics that won't follow either. The thing is the revelation about the infection/disease in the end of season 2 isn't that much surprising since every zombie movie does it. I don't know why the characters would not know. People die whether by zombie or accident or nature... someone's going to notice. The gang protecting the old folks home in season 1 never witnessed this? Laurie is apparently not a fan favorite especially with what happens at the end of season 2. I'm waiting for a stillborn baby to be born. Just saying since a lot of fans don't like Laurie... What a scene that would make.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I'm waiting for a stillborn baby to be born. Just saying since a lot of fans don't like Laurie... What a scene that would make.

Wouldn't a stillborn baby reanimate as a zombie baby? Will we have an Alien-like scene where a zombie fetus tears itself out of Lori's womb? :D
 

solarz

Brigadier
I just finished watching season 2, and I have to say, the second-to-last scene is the most awesome.

So here are my conclusions:

- Overall, the show is not treading water like "Heroes". Characters develop and change. Rick slowly morphs from a police officer with a heart of gold to a bad-ass that you really don't want to mess with.

- Except perhaps Rick and Carl, nobody is really safe in this show. That adds a welcome element of suspense.

- Unfortunately, there's still too much yelling at each other. The good thing is that the characters themselves seem to be realizing this, so maybe we'll see some progress on that part?

I think the best thing this show has got going for it is the source material. I think that takes a huge load off the writers, as they already have a general path to follow, and only need to flesh out the details.

I'm also glad to see North American TV starting to embrace the "series" genre with "Game of Thrones" and "The Walking Dead". This is in contrast to previous TV shows where each episode was largely independent.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Should've listen to the advice here in regards to W of T. What a piece of crap. don;t waste your $$. Actually if there were to be any redeeming value it did make me laugh at many scenes. Hilarious although I'm sure it wasn;t plan to be. It was more comedy than sci-fi fantasy actually. Some scenes were so over the top stupid it was actually funny! and some parts of the acting were borderline slapstick! Of course there was this young woman sitting next to me that was also cracking up on some scenes! That didn't help!
I'm not talking suspend your disbelief type of over the top. I'm talking like King Kong hanging off a 1000 ft bamboo shoot (as oppose to Emipire state) over the top.
 
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