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solarz

Brigadier
Re: RED DAWN (2010) - Changed Enemy

It's the same thing for the remake. It's escapist action, and making China the villain is a gimmick designed to set this movie apart from the million other action movies made every year.

Meh, if they wanted to be original, they would've made Great Britain the villain (back to retake the colonies). Or maybe France, in revenge for changing french fries to "freedom fries".

Lastly, I'd like to point out that there's way more movies made every year where the villain is someone in the US government or a large US corporation.

That's not the same thing. Plenty of movies and TV series in China portray corrupt officials and seedy corporate magnates as villains too. It's a different dynamic when you pick another nation as the villain.

I'm not sure about the film bombing but..It's just a movie.

Yes, it's just a movie, but it's never just a movie...
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Re: RED DAWN (2010) - Changed Enemy

The difference when some US entity is portrayed as the bad guys it's an American movie and the protagonist fighting against the bad guys is also American. And don't assume that there are Chinese movies where Westerners are the bad guys. Under the many rules of filmmaking in China no one can make movies that displays such a thing except in a historical context but still caution is given. If China were to start making movies where the US was a villian especially in a fictious not historical context, there would be alarm. Just like you read stories today of outrage against China for having a made in China clause in its spending policy. The US has that too but somehow it's only wrong for China to do it and they label that China inflaming nationalism.
 

ravenshield936

Banned Idiot
Re: RED DAWN (2010) - Changed Enemy

Meh, if they wanted to be original, they would've made Great Britain the villain (back to retake the colonies). Or maybe France, in revenge for changing french fries to "freedom fries".



That's not the same thing. Plenty of movies and TV series in China portray corrupt officials and seedy corporate magnates as villains too. It's a different dynamic when you pick another nation as the villain.



Yes, it's just a movie, but it's never just a movie...

freedom fries is just about one of the worst names ever for a food. so bad it destroys the tastes.if they think the name french fries is unamerican because france disagrees with US, therefore they must change it, it really only demonstrates some of these americans are so ignorant, it's funny.
further, it only shows how stingy they are, and unwilling to accept ideas different from their own.
is that really freedom in the fries?


2. i agree. the idea about this movie is that it demonizes a nation. for those movies about US, it's never about the entire nation that's being demonized. rather, it's just a few individual. why? because such a movie will never make it to the screens. people will scream how it's "unamerican" and blah blah and things.

the idea has always been, no one wants to be on the bad side of things, but as storylines usually requires conflict and an antagonizing force, and with the contemporary culture focusing on political correctness, usually writers resort to fictional events, fears, technology, organizations, humans, nonhumans, etc.

however, when they start incorporating realistic nations such as Britain(War of Independence), Germany (WWII), Vietnam(Vietnam War), Japan (WWII), there's usually already some dissatisfaction with some negative portrayals. However they're never full-blown as this Red Dawn will be, where it plays on the anti-Chinese fears and sentiments. Also, as an Asian (or chinese), I think the theme of this movie plays on very dangerous grounds of between anti-Chinese fears as well as negative Asian stereotypes in western media.


In terms of context, there's a mixture of the old, the ongoing, and the new. The old, or I should refer as inferior, would be inaccurate portrayals of AKs. The AK would symbolize "the reds", the hostiles, inferior technology of the chinese and communism. ongoing would be the anti-Chinese sentiments. The new being the type 07 uniforms displayed, which is used to represent the new china.

And imho, what separates the original vs this one would be that while the original already wasn't all the great with the anti-USSR sentiments, it can still barely squeeze through as works reflecting that period.

Honestly I really don't see this movie to be a viable topic at all in any ways
This movie is pretty much "the bear and the dragon" on screen.
 
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bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Re: RED DAWN (2010) - Changed Enemy

freedom fries is just about one of the worst names ever for a food. so bad it destroys the tastes
2. i agree. the idea about this movie is that it demonizes a nation. for those movies about US, it's never about the entire nation that's being demonized. rather, it's just a few individual. why? because such a movie will never make it to the screens. people will scream how it's "unamerican" and blah blah and things.


Whats rhe story with "Freedom Fries"

There are protest movies made by American film directors, against the actions of their own govt

Theres the anti Vietnam War movie thats so iconic ive even forgotten its name, the big( budget one):eek: Apocalypse??

And the "Deer Hunter" is another.
 

Finn McCool

Captain
Registered Member
Re: RED DAWN (2010) - Changed Enemy

freedom fries is just about one of the worst names ever for a food. so bad it destroys the tastes
2. i agree. the idea about this movie is that it demonizes a nation. for those movies about US, it's never about the entire nation that's being demonized. rather, it's just a few individual. why? because such a movie will never make it to the screens. people will scream how it's "unamerican" and blah blah and things.

What about Avatar? That was pretty obviously an allegory about America being imperialist and greedy. And it was the highest grossing movie ever. Argument = pwnt
 

ravenshield936

Banned Idiot
Re: RED DAWN (2010) - Changed Enemy

Whats rhe story with "Freedom Fries"

There are protest movies made by American film directors, against the actions of their own govt

Theres the anti Vietnam War movie thats so iconic ive even forgotten its name, the big( budget one):eek: Apocalypse??

And the "Deer Hunter" is another.

If I remember correctly, it's basically that during the buildup to Iraq War 2003, France disapproved with the war. For that reason, people wanted to change the name to Freedom Fries to make it more patriotic, and also because the original name "French Fries" has the word "French" in it.

I haven't seen neither of the movies you've mentioned.
 
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vesicles

Colonel
Re: RED DAWN (2010) - Changed Enemy

Whats rhe story with "Freedom Fries"

Whoever came up with the "freedom fries" is not only politically dumb, but also culinarily challenged. The word "french" in "french fries" does not even mean the country, but the way the potato is cut. It's called french fries because the potato is frenched (the term used in cooking to describe cutting something into long strips) for making the fries...
 

solarz

Brigadier
Re: RED DAWN (2010) - Changed Enemy

What about Avatar? That was pretty obviously an allegory about America being imperialist and greedy. And it was the highest grossing movie ever. Argument = pwnt

ROFL... ever read western news reports about China stopping the playing of 3D version of Avatar in order to make place for Confucius?

According to those journalists, the Chinese government is worried that Avatar strikes a cord with those chinese who are forced to move by the government.

Also, the highest ranking villain in Avatar is a military colonel and a corporate stooge, conveniently placing all the blame on a group of "rogue" elements.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Re: RED DAWN (2010) - Changed Enemy

Everyone in the world saw the antagonist in Avatar fit to their situation. The Western media played up how in China, the "Americans" were Chinese developers. So you have the West interpreting for the Chinese who the enemy in Avatar represents in real life. They also said the Tibetans and Uighurs were the Navi. The media wasn't saying it was just a movie. Also who lead the Navi to save the Navi from the "Americans." It certainly wasn't the Navi. You're not going to see Chinese-Americans saving America from China in Red Dawn. I don't get how when American movie makers make Americans the bad guys, how is that like calling it even when Americans make a movie where China is the bad guy? Jack Bauer was tortured by the Chinese and fans of the TV show 24 actually started a campaign to boycott China because an American writer wrote in a script that Chinese people tortured their hero Jack Bauer. Back in the 80s when Rambo II was first released, after watching the movie, a group of teens in the Midwest went out and attacked Vietnamese on the street. Was that legal since the Vietnamese in the movie interfered with John Rambo from rescuing US soldiers illegalling imprisoned in Vietnam?
 
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