Movies in General

broadsword

Brigadier
Mace,

There was unease in the media about the apes shooting humans cold-bloodedly. Is it like what you can see in Syria, Iraq or in the drug wars in Mexico? That kind of blood curdling scenes?
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Mace,

There was unease in the media about the apes shooting humans cold-bloodedly. Is it like what you can see in Syria, Iraq or in the drug wars in Mexico? That kind of blood curdling scenes?

Really, the media had that concern? It's no more cold-blooded than any other movie. I can see how animal lovers would want to make animals all innocent as they believe which is simply not true. Just look at killer whalers playing toss with a baby seal before eating it. There was nothing too graphic. The funny thing is the movie plays with morals among the apes but like I said, if they really emphasized the "ape shall not kill ape" part, it would've been a more powerful plot device. One of the ape-hating humans shot Rocket's son and he wanted revenge but Caesar convinces him that's not the way. Rocket in the first movie was Caesar's challenger and now he's a loyalist. So what happens in the end, which I won't say, Rocket being Caesar's former enemy could've played a huge role in the whole "ape shall not kill ape" sacred law. They didn't have to copy exactly from Battle for the Planet of the Apes but they had plenty of room to play with. So I'm not sure if they just didn't think it was important or they actually wanted to change its importance because Caesar says a line where he thought he could trust apes because they weren't human, but now he knows apes are no different.
 
Just watched Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. I guess this is sort of in parallel to Battle for the Planets of the Apes. It was an entertaining movie that had a story. Surprising since director Matt Reeves started with JJ Abrams. One thing the same is I think the music score was the same guy Abrams used for Star Trek and Lost. Meaning a lot of that slow music with a violin and single stroke piano keys. It was virtually the same music.

The thing about the original Planet of the Apes series of movies was there were powerful moments like when seeing for the first time the apes riding horses hunting humans or the apes hearing Charlton Heston speak for the first time or the Statue of Liberty buried half way in the sand. The moment in Battle for the Planet of the Apes was the whole thing about "ape shall not kill ape" sacred law. They use it in Dawn of the Planet of the Apes but the powerful culmination to that belief played out in Battle for the Planet of the Apes is lost in this movie. It didn't ruin the movie, but if it was as important as in the original Planet of the Apes movie series, this movie might've had an equally powerful moment.

I caught the Dawn of the Planet of the Apes as well and there were 3 nonsensical things that really irked me and took the movie down several notches for me:

1) Apparently the dumbest humans are put in charge of weapons, there is no concept of guarding something, and there is no concept of communication. Apes scout out and are discovered in the human armory twice. After the first encounter apparently none of the humans mention anything about it to anyone else and continues to behave nonchalantly despite an ape show of force to the entire human colony earlier.

2) There is another critical instance later on where it would make perfect sense for a human to talk to others and communicate but instead he just picks up a gun and threatens them while speaking in incoherent, halting phrases for no apparent reason.

3) Lastly is an issue of either poor handling of sensitivities or the art/CGI department getting needlessly fancy. The female apes are not given female ape anatomy/body shapes, instead some of them get fancy fruit/seed/bone head adornments instead. Makes no sense.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
I was wondering if the Apes were to wanting to explore space for themselves one day would they have use humans as test subjects?;)
 
There are J-10s in Tranasformers 4 =)
They don't really fight anything, but after the battle is over you see and hear them flying around near the end of the movie. Don't really get a good shot of them either, but you can make out delta-winged aircraft with roughly the same proportions as J-10s.
 
There are J-10s in Tranasformers 4 =)
They don't really fight anything, but after the battle is over you see and hear them flying around near the end of the movie. Don't really get a good shot of them either, but you can make out delta-winged aircraft with roughly the same proportions as J-10s.

That's too bad they don't fight anything. I guess the moviemakers probably worry that it might be too much for the China censors if any of them got shot down, and some of them would have to be.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I still have not seen Transformers 4. Since it has surpassed the US box office in China, there has been even more panic from Hollywood. So I've been reading articles of how it portrays the US as inept and corrupt while China is not and Michael Bay is agent for China after being accused of making pro-America movies. You'd figure Michael Bay would've had a J-10 or J-20 as a transformer if he were so much of an ass-kisser as being portray by the media. Because he didn't it sounds like what the media is saying is an exaggeration and/or misrepresentation.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Mace Watch the movie before Drawing conclusions. The Great Chinese Reactions all of a few seconds. the majority of the Film takes place in the Us.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Mace Watch the movie before Drawing conclusions. The Great Chinese Reactions all of a few seconds. the majority of the Film takes place in the Us.

Yeah and by your posts alone, the media seems to be misrepresenting. I'm still reading articles that say the Great Wall and Beijing were given a lot of attention in the movie as to Michael Bay sucking up to China.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Unless the Chinese Version was recut Then All that was seen and was in fact identified was Pangu Plaza in well a Shot not to different form this.
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And that's because the Hotel Paid to have there location shot in the film.
Now I know You Don't like WSJ but
Chinese Firm Resolves Paramount Dispute About 'Transformers' Movie
Movie to Open as Scheduled in China on June 27

By LAURIE BURKITT CONNECT
Updated June 23, 2014 11:33 a.m. ET
A 20 foot-tall Optimus Prime figure is displayed before the world premiere "Transformers: Age of Extinction" in Hong Kong. Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
BEIJING—The makers of the new "Transformers" movie said they resolved problems in China that include a dragon-shaped hotel, government censors and an unusual go-between—a testament that film deals in the world's No. 2 film market are often more than meet the eye.

Chinese company Beijing Pangu Investment Co. said during a press briefing Monday in Beijing that it resolved its dispute with Paramount Pictures over the film "Transformers: Age of Extinction" just days after it demanded that its logos and properties be removed from the movie ahead of its scheduled world-wide opening on Friday.

Pangu, which owns the dragon-shaped hotel, office and mall complex in Beijing, said that its plans for a product-placement deal went awry when a third party that acted as a go-between for Pangu and Paramount drew up differing contracts for both companies, promising different things. "We were cheated," said Lu Tao, Pangu's chief executive.

Pangu and Paramount are both investigating what went wrong, said Mr. Lu. The two companies are cooperating with one another and have had good communication, he said.

Paramount's Vice Chairman Rob Moore said the film would open on Friday as scheduled. "It's unfortunate that we had these misunderstandings," said Mr. Moore, adding that they have "taken steps to put this behind us."

"Transformers" director Michael Bay and Mr. Moore both made repeated references to Pangu when speaking at the news conference on Monday, stating that it has been a supportive partner. "Working with Pangu was fantastic and I want to put all the misunderstandings aside," said Mr. Bay, who also praised the hotel.

The dispute emerged late last week after Pangu said it would halt a commercial sponsorship of the film and demanded that Paramount, which is a unit of U.S.-based Viacom Inc., VIAB -1.07% delete its brand and buildings from the film.

The deal to feature Pangu's distinctive property in the film was originally made last year and valued at roughly $1 million, a person familiar with the arrangement has said.

The problem became apparent after Pangu representatives watched a Hong Kong version of the film, which lacked the 20 seconds of Pangu product placement that it believed Paramount agreed to in the contract, Mr. Lu said. He said the company didn't catch the problem earlier because China's censors, who scrutinize the contents of films before signing off their releases, hadn't made the film available for viewing sooner.

Mr. Lu alleged that Zhou Ning, founder of Chinese sports company Beijing Chengxin Shengshi Sports Culture Co., provided different contracts with varying details to Pangu and Paramount. Neither was aware of the differences, Mr. Lu said.

Paramount's contract didn't include the 20 seconds, said Mr. Lu said.

Mr. Zhou didn't respond to requests for comment.

"This is not about money," said Mr. Lu, adding, "It's about the face of Chinese people and the dignity of Chinese companies."

Paramount had made strategic moves such as casting Chinese actors to win over Chinese audiences for the movie. Featuring actor Mark Wahlberg, the fourth installment in the blockbuster action-robot franchise is expected to be one of the top-grossing pictures of the year.

China is the world's second-largest movie market in terms of box office and is forecast to overtake the U.S. by the end of the decade.

—Lilian Lin contributed to this article

Write to Laurie Burkitt at [email protected]
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In the movie when Everything In Hong Kong starts getting very ugly we see a Actor Playing either the Minister of National Defense or The PLA General Staff Who it seems has a office there in the seven star Hotel or is staying there or is shopping there or eating there or Something getting the call that Hong Kong is getting stomped. out side of that Prime and the Dinobots have a recruiting session at the great wall.
 
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