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AssassinsMace

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Here's a story I read a while ago where it claims Hollywood destroys Hong Kong in movies because it's more Western influenced and Beijing won't allow any other Chinese city get destroyed. Like the article mentions there was a rumor the new Transformers 4 movie would have a battle in Beijing where landmarks like the Bird's Nest stadium and the Cube would be destroyed but according to WSJ Beijing halted that idea.

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Hong Kong: Hollywood's Chinese Punching Bag

As action directors chase the mainland movie boom, wary Beijing censors tell them to keep the mayhem offshore.

By DAVID WALTER

Hong Kong is bracing for a devastating bout of mayhem and destruction next year at the hands of mammoth robots. The territory will barely have had time to rebuild after being crushed to rubble by giant sea creatures this summer. And as if that wasn't bad enough, last year aliens toppled the territory's iconic Bank of China tower in a cascade of glass and shrapnel.

Fortunately reality has been rather kinder to Hong Kong than Hollywood, despite this week's typhoon. Still, the constant death and destruction visited on the territory in movies such as "Transformers 4," "Pacific Rim" and "Battleship," respectively, raises a question: What has Hong Kong done to earn directors' ire?

Unlike Godzilla's postwar rampages through Tokyo, which served as a dark reflection of Japanese nuclear anxieties, Hong Kong's trials cannot be traced to any open psychic wound. Leveling Hong Kong is simply good business.

It all traces back to China. The mainland is a big prize for the American film industry. Last year China became the world's second-largest movie market by total box office, with overall ticket revenues topping $2.71 billion. U.S. movies made up 49% of that amount despite a limit of 34 foreign movies a year allowed into the country. Action movies captured 44% of the total 2012 haul.

Accordingly, Hollywood has tried to court mainland audiences by adding Chinese elements to its summer tentpoles. To do so, however, Hollywood must play by the rules of China's strict state censors, who worry that too much carnage on the mainland could discredit the Communist Party.
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"If you want to wreak havoc and mayhem, you're always politely—or not so politely—told 'Yeah, go do that in Macau or Hong Kong. Those kinds of things don't happen here, because China's such a perfect Communist utopia,'" says China film consultant Robert Cain.

In June, rumors surfaced online that China-set "Transformers 4," would include the destruction of such Beijing landmarks as the Bird's Nest Stadium and the Olympic Water Cube. To avert catastrophe—the financial kind—the movie's producers quickly assured Xinhua that the buildings would remain intact.

The stakes are high for the "Transformers" team. China's State Administration of Radio, Film, and Television (or Sarft) not only censors foreign films; it also dictates movies' release dates and advertising campaigns. Sarft's displeasure thus comes at a cost.

In 2007, for instance, "The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor" had its release date pushed back after Sarft faulted its depiction of "white Westerners saving China," the film's director told the New York Times. The delay allowed pirates to spoil ticket sales by importing the movie from overseas. "Skyfall," the first James Bond movie to film in China, endured similar delays last year until censors cut a scene that showed a French assassin killing a Shanghai security guard.

As a result of these strictures, Chinese cities rarely face the kind of full-scale cinematic assault recently visited on Hong Kong, Moscow and New York in Hollywood movies. (An exception is made for Chinese cities destroyed in political history films—for instance, the Rape of Nanjing in Zhang Yimou's 2011 "The Flowers of War.")

True, Shanghai came in for some damage in 1998's "Armageddon" and 2007's "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer." But tellingly, neither film won Sarft approval to show in China—a fate that studios are eager to avoid as China's box office booms.

Films that take place in Hong Kong face no such barriers to entry in the Chinese market. In Sarft's eyes, "Hong Kong still has a lot of western and capitalist influence," Mr. Cain says. "Bad things can happen there—crime, corrupt police, guns—that just don't happen in mainland China."

Cosmopolitan, recognizable and mostly (but not entirely) Chinese, the special administrative region is an ideal punching bag for Hollywood film studios trying to balance politics and profit on the mainland. With its bustling harbor and compact skyline, Hong Kong makes for an enticing, permissible target.

Beijing's indifference toward Hong Kong's celluloid destruction is worth a moment's pause for city residents. This is, after all, a Chinese government that regularly takes to the airwaves with promises that the motherland will provide for Hong Kong's defense. What does it say about the true nature of Hong Kong-China relations that Beijing's culture ministry is more concerned with saving a single Shanghai security guard than a city of seven million?

On the other hand, difficult as it may be to watch their city reduced to smithereens, Hong Kongers can take pride in being judged open and self-confident enough to withstand such beatdowns. Milton Friedman famously picked the territory as the setting for the first part of his documentary series "Free to Choose." To that we can now add an action-movie corollary: "free to bruise."

Mr. Walter is the Princeton-in-Asia fellow at The Wall Street Journal Asia's editorial page.

Now here's an exclusive interview recently done by a Chinese Transformers fan site with one of the Transformers 4 producers which pretty much says otherwise.

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TerraN_EmpirE

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Thinking about it I can't recall a major Chinese metropolis getting flattened. But then again I can't think of a major Russian or Iranian or Indian. I am not entirely sure however this is the result of some nefarious plot. I think my friend you have to remember who the audience is. American movies today sell world wide. Not just in the US. But they are still aimed to be American or at least recognized across the world. So the cities that get trashed have to universal cities. Everyone on earth who is not living in a totally isolated jungle knows New York or LA or London or Hong Kong. Beijing has only really come out of the red wall in the last few decades there is not a real image for it in western minds. Same for Moscow or Tehran. We know the name but we don't know the city. After the Olympics we saw the city and learned the city.
 

AssassinsMace

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Shanghai has been destroyed in Armageddon.

I wasn't complaining about "How come a Chinese city doesn't get destroyed in a Hollywood movie?" I'm pointing out how the WSJ pulls crap out of thin air just so they can come to the conclusion they thought up from the beginning. There is no Beijing influence like the WSJ article charges where no other Chinese city except Hong Kong can be destroyed in a Hollywood movie. The following link with the interview with a Transformers 4 producer states Chinese landmarks in Beijing will be destroyed so that pretty much says the honored WSJ is full of it.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Okay mace please don't.
why the west gets china wrong is closed, so if you want to grind your ax against the WSJ please don't do it here. This is the movie thread its for and about movies. I am asking you as a fellow member please move on.
I want to talk about walking with dinosaurs the movie. I know its a kiddies flick but I love the effects they pulled off in the specials. It was top of the line stuff equal in my view to any of the Jurassic park movies. I am betting Jeff will be dragged by the youngest of the grand kids to see it.
Or how about Godzilla there is a new one not canned yet and you know in the 1990s big G trashed Hong Kong in Godzilla vs. Distroyah. I love Godzilla movies I mean it great fun and with Fukushima the message was never clearer.
the new Ghostbusters movie I have been waiting for for 24+ years for that I wonder what they will do to top the last one.
The seventh son looks bad @$& I wonder if it will be worth it?
 

AssassinsMace

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Okay mace please don't.
why the west gets china wrong is closed, so if you want to grind your ax against the WSJ please don't do it here. This is the movie thread its for and about movies. I am asking you as a fellow member please move on.


I never said they got it wrong. That would suggest they made a mistake. If this forum should followed what you suggest, you would see no discussion. No different from what's being discussed over at the Syria thread. I posted factual misreporting by the WJS about movies with two articles that show it.
 
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Equation

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Holy Officer Murphy they're doing a remake of Robocop. Suppose to open sometime in February of 2014. I like the new Robo suit although he does look a little like a black Cylon (from Battle Star Galactica).

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AssassinsMace

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Here's the trailer that just came out.

[video=youtube;UuVphAuRo7Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuVphAuRo7Q[/video]

I was sort of looking forward to this but now watching the trailer it remains to be seen if it's better than this.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
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I like the new "ED-209" robot.

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The UAV looks pretty cool.

The only thing I question about this new movie is the setting. Modern day or future Detroit? Couldn't they make it in LA or NYC would be a more fun and exotic location? Have the film makers seen Detroit lately?
 
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