MM acquired AV-8B's in the 1990's and the US hopes it will buy F-35B's ( the plan was 22, but it has already been reduced to 15 ) but that seems to me to be financially highly irresponsible.
Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics
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Dusky, the Italians have two carriers, and they have operated Harriers since the late 1980s. They currently have 15 Harriers.
Their intent is to go to the F-35B on the carriers, and they will do so. They confirmed orders in 2013 for 60 F-35A and 30 F-35B (see ). The F-35Bs will be for the carriers.
Now, there were that the Italians may reduce this number...but most view those as threats to get better concessions out of Lockheed Martin and we will have to just wait and see what happens.
As it is, the Italians are a strong member country in the JSF partnership and will actually have a manufacturing and maintenance plant in Italy to service other European countries, which will bring in money to Italy. If they drop their orders too low, they will lose that opportunity.
Here are their carriers showing the aircraft:
First, the Cavour, 550, with nine Harriers aboard:
Then the Garibaldi, 551, with seven Harriers aboard:
They also operate AW-101 helos for AEW, Specifically the 112-AEW model, of which they have four.
With their Horizon class escorts and the FREMM class FFGs, they also have a very credible escort force for these carriers.
BTW, if you ever have any questions about modern aircraft carriers or large Amphibious Assault Ships, just check my World-wide Aircraft Carriers page:
...or for the principle escorts of these carriers, my AEGIS and AEGIS-like Vessels of the World page:
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no problem, duskylim, just click in here: (most recently put up on Italian Navy Facebook profile)
Oh! Okay, I am properly humbled.
Last I knew G. Garibaldi operated only helicopters.
I remember seeing pictures of her operating with the Spanish Navy's Principe de Asturias.
There were Harriers on the Asturias, but none on the Garibaldi.
Well, that's why we have these forums, ya live and learn.
And the Italians are re-cycling all the old battleship names, both the Conti de Cavour and Giuseppe Garibaldi were ships of the line.
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No problemo, Dusky.
Right now, there are only three nations in the world that have more than one fixed-wing aircraft carrier.
- United States has ten Nimitz class and the one Ford, one America and eight Wasp. or twenty.
- Italy has two with the Cavour and Garibaldi.
- India has twothe Vikrmaditya and the Viraat.
(Note: I include the America and Wasp class with the US because they in fact regularly operate fixed wing aircraft off of their large decks. Harriers for now, but soon to be F-35B Joint Strike Fighters)
India is going to end up with three with their new Vikrant, to be followed by the Vishal, by which time the Viraat will be decommissioned and they will fulfill their goal for three active carriers.
The UK will join the group with the Queen Elizabeth and the Prince of Wales, and of course, we all expect the Chinese to join that group.
Then, with China, like the Indians, the PLAN will move on to three. But unlike the Indians, it is expected that the Chinese will build as many as five.
So when all is said and done, the nations who plan at this point to oeprate more than one fixed wing aircraft carrier will end up being:
- United States with 20
- China with 5
- India with 3
- United Kingdom with 2
- Italy with 2
Then there are several of countries who operate one:
- France
- Russia
- Brazil
- Thailand
- Spain
Now, Japan may end up with two or more. The Izumo Class (one built the other building) may in fact one day carry the J-35B aircraft. If they do, then Japan will have at least two.
Remember two months ago it was reported that Iran built a mock up carrier? Well it appears they plan on sinking the fake CVN during a war game. Question is, is this just a PR move or do the Iranians really think they can learn anything by sinking this ship?.
Iran's fake CVN..March 2014
Iran's fake CVN..March 2014
TerraN_EmpirE
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Of course since the "Carrier" is defense less lacking the helicopters and escorts that would surround her she's not going to give much of a fight.
Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?
Today's US Navy CSGs present a very difficult air defense, electronic warfare, anti-submarine labrynth that is both hard to find and difficult to overwhelm.
The former Soviet Union was prepared to commit to a single US carrier strike group, regiments of long range attack aircraft, expecting to lose a large percentage of them to take one on. Regiments.
That's the level of commitment an OPFOR s going to have to make...without my guarantee of success.
So easily said...but extremely difficult to do.
Today's US Navy CSGs present a very difficult air defense, electronic warfare, anti-submarine labrynth that is both hard to find and difficult to overwhelm.
The former Soviet Union was prepared to commit to a single US carrier strike group, regiments of long range attack aircraft, expecting to lose a large percentage of them to take one on. Regiments.
That's the level of commitment an OPFOR s going to have to make...without my guarantee of success.
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