Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

antiterror13

Brigadier
Equation, my friend, I have not said that the PRC does not have a ASBM program. In fact, I say they are working on and developing a capability.

But it has never been tested to do what it purports. And so we are right back to the same discussion.

As I said, in working with largre, complicated weapons systems that are critical for national defense, you simply must test them...many times over...to ensure that they will do what you are depending on them to do when you need them.

Some day, perhaps the PRC will perform a full-up, live fire test of this system out into the Pacific or China Sea...and then continue testing numerous times it to improve it. Until that day, for me, and with my own background in weapons systems, it is simply an unfinished, untested project.

...and so again, I have said my piece on this. Folks can consider it, and take it into account however they desire.

Probably well funded...but not complete. The goals for the program are very, very daunting.


Jeff, with all due respect , would you also consider "Israel nukes" is also not complete, unfinished and untested project ?
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Jeff, with all due respect , would you also consider "Israel nukes" is also not complete, unfinished and untested project ?
Yes...I would. The Israelis however have never indicated that they have such weapons. Never announced to the word that such weapons are operational. So, they have nothing to prove.

Now, the technology involved with producing a fission bomb, or even a fusion bomb, by Israel, North Korea, Iran, or anyone else, is not a new technology. It is a very well known, very well documented, and very well tested, technology.

The ASBM weapon is not. It purports a system that has never been put together into a weapon before. One that has not been tested or proven to date (unlike nuclear weapons). So the level of proof is going to be higher in such conditions.

A new weapons system that has never been tested is, like Occam's razor, a system that in all probability is not operational yet. People can decide for themselves.

Again, all of these types of scenarios, questions, etc. have been reviewed in the past. I have said my piece on this. No need to take it any further.
 

hkbc

Junior Member
A new weapons system that has never been tested is, like Occam's razor, a system that in all probability is not operational yet. People can decide for themselves.

Again, all of these types of scenarios, questions, etc. have been reviewed in the past. I have said my piece on this. No need to take it any further.

It is kinda repetitive hearing the it isn't operational mantra time and time again

Regardless, it's a "fleet in being" in that it extends a controlling influence.

Whether this forum believes it's operational or not is pretty irrelevant. Billions of dollars is been expended on neutralising the "threat" dollars that could be spent on other things and capabilities so even if it's never fired or it doesn't exist it's having an effect on policy, planning and expenditure.
 

Jeff Head

General
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Whether this forum believes it's operational or not is pretty irrelevant. Billions of dollars is been expended on neutralising the "threat" dollars that could be spent on other things and capabilities so even if it's never fired or it doesn't exist it's having an effect on policy, planning and expenditure.
First of all hkbc, I have not been talking about what the "forum," believes. These are my own opinions and analysis, plainly spoken.

I think it is pretty evident that there is a healthy disagreement about this point on the forum.

2nd, what you just indicated is also precisely what I have been saying...and THAT, my friend, is not irrelevant at all.

Of course the downside of such a strategy is the very real chance that the US is in fact improving its defenses significantly and has the billions to spend to do so.

So, again, 'nuff said. We've covered this aspect once again...and I am sure, as we have in the past, in another six months or so I will feel the need to mention it once more.

Adieu.
 
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So, again, 'nuff said. We've covered this aspect once again...and I am sure, as we have in the past, in another six months or so I will feel the need to mention it once more.

Adieu.

Jeff, a moment ago I finished reading the exchange of opinions which had been posted since yesterday and let me just add that maybe something relevant (I mean some data, not just talking :) will pop up earlier than you mentioned and then I believe it should be discussed here.
 
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Jeff Head

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Jeff, a moment ago I finished reading the exchange of opinions which had been posted since yesterday and let me just add that maybe something relevant (I mean some data, not just talking :) will pop up earlier than you mentioned and then I believe it should be discussed here.
Oh yes...most certainly.

Please do not misunderstand. What I said was personal, not as an instruction to posters or the forum. I would not do that.

If there were an issue from the forum's standpoint, I would post it in bold blue as a moderator. None of this had anything to do with that.

Thanks for letting me make that clear.
 

advill

Junior Member
My guess is that the USN may already have counter-measures to deflect/destroy the DF-21D. As I wrote in this blog before, there will always be the development of various weapon systems to engage opponents, and vice-versa, the opponents will develop countermeasures ........Experimentations & developments will continue et. al., until one country's military blows up its opponent's forces, but will vice-versa be targeted in reprisal blown up too. The final stages would be the use of nuclear weapons - no one wins then, as massive destruction would result.





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I can't help but ask the same question as I did here about two months ago:

Does somebody here have an idea how an attack of the CSS-5 would proceed from the reentry of the atmosphere, at Mach twenty or so, up to the point of hitting the desired ship (and not for example a tanker which just happened to join the group) presumably at much lower speed? I read in Russian source(s) that cruise missiles like Sandbox or Shipwreck could have been made faster, but were not, so that they could maneuver more effectively (picking up the right target) ...
 

Phead128

Captain
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My guess is that the USN may already have counter-measures to deflect/destroy the DF-21D. As I wrote in this blog before, there will always be the development of various weapon systems to engage opponents, and vice-versa, the opponents will develop countermeasures ........Experimentations & developments will continue et. al., until one country's military blows up its opponent's forces, but will vice-versa be targeted in reprisal blown up too. The final stages would be the use of nuclear weapons - no one wins then, as massive destruction would result.

Electronic countermeasures is the arm-chair general's God card... can't prove that it works, but it's existence through faith gives one hope.

Edit: If DF-21D can be neutralized via electronc countermeasures, what about DF-21A/C nuclear delivery device? Wouldn't that thereby call into question China's effectiveness of second strike capability as a whole if DF-21 series can be so easily compromised?
 
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Zhifu

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How to stop all minor countries having the DF 21 or like countries like Iran the DF 21 lite. US Defence is thinking about this , I am sure. Those with aircraft carriers will feel they need more cover?
 
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