Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

Lion said:

Lol... Mr Nikex, you got the things wrong. Or are you going to say so DF-21D will still look at DF-15? You simply have no idea what are you talking about and just try to press your idea forward.

Facts will always be facts. Lies can only get you that far..

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Equation said:

The white one is a DF-15/CSS-6, NOT the DF-21D.

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Lezt said:

True, Torpedo are slow the fastest supercavitating rocket powered torpedo can go is around 200 Knots...

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It is basically as fast as a slow airplane... which is still quite fast.

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NikeX said:

Sorry but a fact is a fact. Look at the pictures and let your own eyes be the judge. The white missile is the DF-21D

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Plus this quote is relevant to the discussion: The translation part has to do with China

"....There is a considerable level of effort to translate plans and parts associated with the now decommissioned Pershing II, ostensibly the basis of the DF-15 and land attack variants of the DF-21 family (see Fig. 2), into a system that marries sensors, C2 and “shooter” (aka missile) designed to take out a mobile platform in the broad ocean area. Recall that the Pershing II added a MaRV that married a 5-80kt warhead (with an earth penetrating option) with terrain-scene matching radar to give this relatively low yield weapon a remarkable hard-kill capability owing to a CEP inside of 30 meters...."

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Pershing 2 was 1980s technology. The DF-21D is trying to build on what Pershing 2 did in the 1980s. The only other known ASBM was the Russian SS-NX-13 which was never made to work properly and eventually given up as a dead end. There are many problems the DF-21D must overcome to perform its mission. So far these problems have proved impossible to solve

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gjy2105 said:

Go read the paragraph again. It says that a NUCLEAR-EQUIPPED shkval is a revenge weapon that would sink the launch vehicle as well.



U.S. intelligence experts call the nuclear-equipped Shkval a "revenge weapon," as it would destroy its target and the submarine that launched it. Russian sources have disagreed with this assessment, saying that the double-hull construction of Soviet-built submarines could withstand the resultant nuclear shockwave.

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gjy2105 said:

My point was that if only a nuclear-equipped shkval is a revenge weapon that could sink the launch vehicle, why not just using a conventional one?

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Jeff Head said:

If you want to read a very detailed technical discussion on the super-cavitating weapons, read my series,

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The game changer is an effective supercavitating weapon the Chinese develop that pushes the US clear back all the way across the Pacific.

But even that, with all the losses the US incurs (which include several super carriers) does not end the "Carrier Age."

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Air Force Brat said:

Thats what I said, there remains lots issues with the Shkval, in its current state if remains impractical, or the USN would be operating theirs. The Germans also have spent a good deal of time and money since WWII trying to get a handle on it, with very little success. It also played highly in one of Michael DeMercurio's submarine novels, and thats where its likely to remain most effective, at least in the near future

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If your western friend is firing wire guided torps, then he might take evasive action severing his wires, if he do not, he might be sunk out right and the wire guided torp is much easier to evade in without the mother ship.

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Description: Self-propelled guided projectile that operates underwater and is designed to detonate on contact or in proximity to a target.

Features: Torpedoes may be launched from submarines, surface ships, helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft. They are also used as parts of other weapons; the Mark 46 torpedo becomes the warhead section of the ASROC (Anti-Submarine ROCket) and the Captor mine uses a submerged sensor platform that releases a torpedo when a hostile contact is detected. The three major torpedoes in the Navy inventory are the Mark 48 heavyweight torpedo, the Mark 46 lightweight and the Mark 50 advanced lightweight.

The MK-48 is designed to combat fast, deep-diving nuclear submarines and high performance surface ships. It is carried by all Navy submarines. The improved version, MK-48 ADCAP, is carried by attack submarines, the Ohio class ballistic missile submarines and will be carried by the Seawolf class attack submarines. The MK-48 replaced both the MK-37 and MK-14 torpedoes. The MK-48 has been operational in the U.S. Navy since 1972. MK-48 ADCAP became operational in 1988 and was approved for full production in 1989.

The MK-46 torpedo is designed to attack high performance submarines, and is presently identified as the NATO standard. The MK-46 Mod 5 torpedo is the backbone of the Navy's lightweight ASW torpedo inventory and is expected to remain in service until the year 2015.

The MK-50 is an advanced lightweight torpedo for use against the faster, deeper-diving and more sophisticated submarines. The MK-50 can be launched from all ASW aircraft, and from torpedo tubes aboard surface combatant ships. The MK-50 will eventually replace the MK-46 as the fleet's lightweight torpedo.

Features: MK-48 and MK-48 ADCAP torpedoes can operate with or without wire guidance and use active and/or passive homing. When launched they execute programmed target search, acquisition and attack procedures. Both can conduct multiple reattacks if they miss the target. The MK-46 torpedo is designed to be launched from surface combatant torpedo tubes, ASROC missiles and fixed and rotary wing aircraft. In 1989, a major upgrade program began to enhance the performance of the MK-46 Mod 5 in shallow water. Weapons incorporating these improvements are identified as Mod 5A and Mod 5A(S).

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bd popeye said:

Not that simple..What the "western" foe has..

55 active SSNs
16 active SSBNs
4 Active SSGNs

.. that are regularly deployed all over the World.

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