Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

navyreco

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China’s Anti-Access Missile
By Harry Kazianis
November 18, 2011


China’s much discussed anti-ship missile, the DF-21D, is a dangerous weapon. It’s also at the heart of the People’s Liberation Army’s anti-access/access denial (A2/AD) strategy, aimed at denying an enemy surface fleet command of the high seas.

Fired from a mobile truck-mounted launcher into the atmosphere, with assistance from over-the-horizon radar, satellite tracking and possibly unmanned aerial vehicles, a warhead is delivered to its target at a speed greater than sound. Currently, the system utilizes a single warhead per missile. But could the system be expanded to fire multiple warheads from one missile – so-called “MIRV” capability, with two or even three warheads per missile? Its been done before.
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Equation

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If successful (as with evidence), I wonder if the PLA has plans to place the DF-21D on board surface ships or submarines (vertical launch). Does anyone has any imfo on this?
 

s002wjh

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China’s Anti-Access Missile
By Harry Kazianis
November 18, 2011



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problem for MIRV is the size and power. in order to hit a ship in open water within certain accuracy, the warhead need alot guidances & real time processing system, communication, antenna, radar etc etc on board for each warhead, which cost space and power. also alot electronic, processor confine in a small closed space will generate alot heat, to the point of damage the onboard chip. it need proper cooling, which gonna be hard in missile terminal phase.
 

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problem for MIRV is the size and power. in order to hit a ship in open water within certain accuracy, the warhead need alot guidances & real time processing system, communication, antenna, radar etc etc on board for each warhead, which cost space and power. also alot electronic, processor confine in a small closed space will generate alot heat, to the point of damage the onboard chip. it need proper cooling, which gonna be hard in missile terminal phase.

That's only a problem of making smaller but equally effective sensors, which will arise in time (things keep getting smaller, always). But the mass of warheads will likely still remain the same, so the question is whether the mass of a normal AShBM warhead divided by three, will still be effective against a flattop or such.

If successful (as with evidence), I wonder if the PLA has plans to place the DF-21D on board surface ships or submarines (vertical launch). Does anyone has any imfo on this?

The problem being it could be easier for opfor to take out the missile during boost phase. Not to mention that if launched from a sub, it coudl be mistaken as an IRBM nuke first strike.
 

delft

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problem for MIRV is the size and power. in order to hit a ship in open water within certain accuracy, the warhead need alot guidances & real time processing system, communication, antenna, radar etc etc on board for each warhead, which cost space and power. also alot electronic, processor confine in a small closed space will generate alot heat, to the point of damage the onboard chip. it need proper cooling, which gonna be hard in missile terminal phase.
Proper cooling during months of operation is a very different thing from proper cooling during the flight time of a missile.The second can be provided in a very much smaller and lighter package.
 

Red___Sword

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The problem being it could be easier for opfor to take out the missile during boost phase. Not to mention that if launched from a sub, it coudl be mistaken as an IRBM nuke first strike.

Yes you got that right, tactical advantage shall not obsticle the strategical sensitivity. ASBM is after all, a tactical strike option, no need to make things worsening in a nuke-war direction.

With that been said, the infamous American Aero-space strike platform like X47B and other new toys emerging, let's hope that their politicians knows what's at stake when their generals and know-nothing senators waving it as casual.
 

s002wjh

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Proper cooling during months of operation is a very different thing from proper cooling during the flight time of a missile.The second can be provided in a very much smaller and lighter package.

the PCB, electronic need sufficient amount of cooling in order to work. a enclose space such as missile's warhead does not help that. the heat generated by the electonic has to get to outside at some point.
 

s002wjh

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the heat eventually has to dissipated to somewhere. the volume of that stuff is limited, also liquids in a missile warhead is not really a good idea. most liquids are conductive, also the force at that speed moving to different direction. anyway cooling alot electronic in a tight confine space is problematic. then there is the small size, low poer requirement for the guidance, and other system in a MIRV
 

Engineer

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the heat eventually has to dissipated to somewhere.
Yeah, into the liquid.

the volume of that stuff is limited, also liquids in a missile warhead is not really a good idea. most liquids are conductive, also the force at that speed moving to different direction. anyway cooling alot electronic in a tight confine space is problematic. then there is the small size, low poer requirement for the guidance, and other system in a MIRV
Satellites contain ample liquids and they don't have problems. Satellites also have to cool a lot of electronics in tight and confined space in vacuum, and they also don't have problems.
 
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