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TK3600 said:

Again, where is China's Ukraine. South Korea has North to deal with. China can do the same thing as US and make it a proxy war. North Korean will do the bleeding, Chinese will back it with economy. Repeating the same shit do not prove your point.

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I already said it: Taiwan.

Taiwan is a maritime fight. Not a land war. Therefore it'll be a naval and aerial conflict, and guess what, South Korea and Japan are both fairly competent naval and air powers. Both host US bases, as well, which means that if China starts bombing them directly, it'll trigger a war with the US.

I'm saying - this is the way they intend to engage - South Korea and Japan sail to Taiwan's defense on the front lines, while the US sits back and plays support. China is forced to fight those navies and air forces with one hand tied behind its back because if it starts bombing their bases, that triggers an all-out war vs. the US. So either China bites the bullet and goes all-out (low/moderate chance of victory) against the entire alliance, or (ideally for the US) it tries to do what Russia is doing in Ukraine, which is fight with one hand tied behind its back while the US supports from a distance. The latter may seem an "easier" fight but it is ultimately even more draining and beneficial to the US.

CMP said:

Because some people here are having trouble grappling with how to strategize against a nuclear existential threat (or even assuming with full confidence that they know the best strategy, when in fact it is among the worst), this little segment of a clip might help (specifically the Minimax Strategy):

If that caught your interest, try the following clip next:

The wiki page on minimax is pretty dense, so these videos are an easier way to digest and understand it.

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Did nuclear game theory ever factor in a narcissistic generation that grew up with the threat of nuclear annihilation, and now in their sunset years and impending old age and death (the octogenarian Pelosis and Bidens), and are adopting an apres mois, la deluge view towards the rest of the nation? The anglos are a death cult, exemplified by their 'green' political groups infesting other western nations steering them back to the palaeolithic and 0 human births.


Musk leads the charge for sending american factories and jobs to China; that's an entire generation of Chinese who will work those factories, build their lives with that money and raise their kids to build China, build back better.

Eventine said:

I already said it: Taiwan.

Taiwan is a maritime fight. Not a land war. Therefore it'll be a naval and aerial conflict, and guess what, South Korea and Japan are both fairly competent naval and air powers. Both host US bases, as well, which means that if China starts bombing them directly, it'll trigger a war with the US.

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Then it cannot be helped. If those country attack China directly, it is an act of war. North Korea will mobilize and start a land war. Either US accept this fact, or it too must enter a state of war on China.

Eventine said:

I'm saying - this is the way they intend to engage - South Korea and Japan sail to Taiwan's defense on the front lines, while the US sits back and plays support. China is forced to fight those navies and air forces with one hand tied behind its back because if it starts bombing their bases, that triggers an all-out war vs. the US.

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This is not happening. That is like saying Russia will not declare war if entire NATO airforce and navy start shooting Russia directly. This is a total war scenario.

Temstar said:

US can't even get Tsai to declare independence to trigger something like an Ukraine type situation for China, what makes you think the other even looser allies will volunteer to be the first into the breech?

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Three words: false flag attack

I don't get this kind of wishful thinking. If the US wants a China-Japan war they will find a way to trigger it. This is what Xi meant when he said to prepare for the worst case scenario.

ember said:

Three words: false flag attack

I don't get this kind of wishful thinking. If the US wants a China-Japan war they will find a way to trigger it. This is what Xi meant when he said to prepare for the worst case scenario.

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Japan entering the war is not certain, but it is plausible. But that can be hardly called the worst case scenario. It cannot be worst case scenario unless USA is directly involved.

siegecrossbow said:

Someone please put an end to this kind of elder abuse…

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I've had a senior care patient fall on me like that before. I didn't know it at the time, but he was suffering a minor stroke.


On Pride month, the battle over LGBT— sorry, LGBTQ— sorry, LGBTQQIP2SAA+, continues...

TK3600 said:

Then it cannot be helped. If those country attack China directly, it is an act of war. North Korea will mobilize and bring and start a land war. Either US accept this fact, or it too must enter a state of war on China.

This is not happening. That is like saying Russia will not declare war if entire NATO airforce and navy start shooting Russia directly.

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Russia's been shot at for a year and still hasn't declared Ukraine to be an actual war. Ukrainian drones are literally flying into Moscow to assassinate Putin and he's still not declaring war. NATO trainers, advisors, spy planes, mercenaries, and special forces are operating in Ukraine right at this moment.

Countries will thread this needle every time when they want to avoid escalation. The US is betting that China won't be willing to escalate and so it can get away with having its East Asian vassals do the bulk of the work. It's betting that any conflict over Taiwan will be a limited conflict that is fought primarily over military targets. In such scenarios, South Korea and Japan can do a lot of damage without the US formally joining the war (because its defense treaties with Japan and South Korea only requires it to defend their land; it doesn't require it to defend their military assets sent against China).

I can easily see a future in which the US states, "we fully support our allies' committed defense of Taiwan and will do everything in our power to help them succeed. However, rest assured, American troops will not be fighting China."

ember said:

Three words: false flag attack

I don't get this kind of wishful thinking. If the US wants a China-Japan war they will find a way to trigger it. This is what Xi meant when he said to prepare for the worst case scenario.

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When that Ukrainian S300 fell in Poland and took out that tractor and farmers was that a false flag attack? Then what happened did NATO and Russia go to war?

Yes I agree finding/making excuses for a war is easy, the hard part is the willpower and capability to actually carry out a war. Do you suppose in PLA's war-planning for reunification they don't take into account the potential need to remove all US bases this side of the pacific ocean? Or do you doubt the PLA's ability to carry that out? Because if US doubt the PLA they've already created their Casus Belli. The fact that they haven't should tell you something about their calculation of PLA capabilities.

Like if you look at all that stuff that USN and USAF are putting into action in western pacific, is that done with the goal of becoming more lethal to better fight PLA (offensive) or how to better survive and fight on under overwhelming PLARF fire (defensive)?

Fedupwithlies said:

You're saying that China won't nuke the US after the US nukes China because then the US would nuke China? What sort of logic is that?

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It's called LETTUCE LOGIC

Eventine said:

China is being baited over Taiwan, but Taiwan isn't going to fight alone. That's what's happening right now - the building of a security alliance in East Asia for the purpose of starting a proxy war over Taiwan.

All the latest news are building up to this. Yoon's election, Marcos Jr.'s election, the Move Forward Party's election - all of these are pieces of a larger whole. Japan and South Korea making peace with each other, Yoon's minstrel submission to the US, Marcos Jr.'s about turn on China; why do you think these are all happening at once? Coincidence? Liberal wave?

No. This is the US activating its assets in East Asia. Preparing the field.

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Quit using the PH into this discussion because THE PH MILITARY IS A CANNON FODDER PERIOD. South Korea, Japan, Taiwan sure but the PH hell NO. Please elucidate how the PH can make the PLA sweat or what meaningful contribution it can bring to the table against China. I can't wait for your reply.