Well, it looks like we moved past the civilized line now, and I have no choice but to respond in this thread.
I guess you just don't get it. I've been talking about justice all this while. Not the morality of grave desecration or whatever.
You're changing the goalpost. From WW2 to ancient China to Sino-Viet war. Stop it! The PVA were not angels themselves. They were conducting ethnic cleansing on the Chinese Vietnamese. They torture and kill their POWs. American or Chinese. War is hell. Vietnam started that war, and did all of those things. Both sides did bad stuff. Don't suddenly pick the Vietnamese side just to prove your petty point.
Firstly, the PVA stood for the People's Volunteer Army, which is the precursor to the PLA of China. The Vietnamese counterpart is the PAVN.
Secondly, I never changed the goal posts. I always stuck to this:
pissing or purposely disturbing an average person's grave is low and dehumanizing regardless of their motive. Reasons like atrocities aren't enough since everybody has commited them before.
Shifting the goal posts is changing the rules of a competition to suite myself, not changing settings or examples that I didn't even bring up minus the Vietnam one.
I also would like to add that unless you are a "do as I say, not as I do" type of person, from a Chinese standpoint, under your own standard, you should be willing to be ok with Vietnamese and South Koreans pissing on Chinese remains for the 1979 invasion and Korean War respectively. Justice is in the eyes of the beholder.
Speaking of fallacies, you commited the appeal to emotion fallacy numerous times by invoking atrocities that involve the Chinese to gain sympathy rather than directly refuting why pissing on someone's grave is bad.
Stop confusing people. The argument was simple, if your enemy disrespected your people and your dead. Why should they expect the same respect to be afforded to theirs?
Already mentioned my reasoning above.
Moving the goalpost again. When a Japanese soldier murders helpless Chimese women and children. He gets a medal, ration, and comfort women. Better yet, he gets enshrined in the Yasukuni when he dies. This is real life! Tell me, that his grave does not deserve to be insulted. Tell me that he is innocent because he was merely a soldier.
Appeal to emotion fallacy again. Also a corpse and his or her grave isn't the same as an all-encomposing monument. Apples and oranges fallacy as well.
Don't talk to me about some bullshit about beating some British elderly in peacetime. It's a lousy argument. Only the depraved idiots think about attacking the helpless for whatever reason. If you assault any elderly for no a good reason, you go to jail. Simple. Howabout you ask yourself, how many Asian haters went to jail for beating up helpless Asian elderlies?
What I've been talking about all this time are foreign soldiers coming to your home country in wartime, conducting murder, pillage, and rape. They don't get no punishment. In fact, many were awarded and enshrined. So when some decendants of the victims wanna insult those dead soldiers. You call wanna that wrong? What kinda argument is that?
Because it is low and b*tch move. Go beat up and insult the present British who proudly hold onto their loot and defend their thievery. But beating up the dead is equivalent to attacking the helpless: neither can defend themselves.
Then you're as naive as I think you are. Yasukuni shrine honors the dead. Attacking that is no different to attacking the graves of the soldiers enshrined in it. What is the point of arguing over human remains and a shrine to their memory?
Cool. Then you should be ok with the desecration of anyones's remains if they seek justice.
You wanna talk about the peacetime etiquette of handling wartime corpses as some kind of ultimate value? That is so lame. In times of war, nobody cares. Look what the enemy did to Chinese corpses in wartime. And you so willingly forgive them, so that you could prove a point about respecting the dead? C'mon!
That's a strawman fallacy right there. Never did I say that I forgave them. I just said that it was a form of trash behavior. Plus are we really at war? Did China declare war on the UK? Are you on the battlefield shedding blood and tears to kill a British soldier or are you just talking trash on the Internet like many keyboard warriors do? Or are you a time travelling Chinese soldier from the Opium Wars or Malaya guerilla from the Malaysian "emergency"? If none of the above, then we are at peacetime and you are not a participant in the war. And by my logic, you lack the qualification to ignore peacetime etiquette,
Given your repeated appeal to emotion fallacies, I would be happy to take this beef to a private chat with your response. Or we can both accept that we both agree to disagree in a vehement manner. I don't care what you choose, but I have no interest in polluting this thread with a debate like that of pmc and manqiangrexue.