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eprash

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Meh? That's what you have to say to the traditional love and cooperation between men and women, the relationship that gave birth to you? Keep that for your own country, not for China.

First of all, it's so far from mature, you could lose a generation waiting for it. Secondly, we are a human society, not some freakshow Matrix/Borg colony where people errupt from machines and are created/killed for a purpose. These technologies are made to help parents with biological problems have children; they are not being created to break the bond between men and women.
Values and traditions change, It's understandable to feel this way but unlike old times love and relationship between men and women doesn't result in many babies these days, DINK couples are the norm and they do have their valid reasons for it, Think of it this way current courting and child bearing process is similar to how hunter gather societies obtained food it's natures way of doing it and type of food obtained depended on your environment and luck, Artificial womb CRISPR babies would be similar to agrarian societies way of getting food sure the variety would be low and won't seem natural compared to hunting but you can decide the quality and quantity of your produce Besides men-women relationships wouldn't end people want companionship they sure do love sex infact it may actually compliment and fit well into current low birth rate societies, the biggest hurdle would be figuring out how to deal with the identity crisis of those children, That can't be solved with technology or money
 

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I'm sorry, but you need to not be autistic when reading women. It's creepy and cringe and lands you in jail when you do it because your mind is probably wired in an ultra PC, friendship-before-relationship, total-mutual-respect kind of way; that's not how I roll. In every single one of my relationships, I'm pushing it faster than she's going but just enough so that she feels thrilled but not scared. If I sense scared, I back up. I like to grab ladies walking besides me and dipped them into a position where their total balance relies on clinging to me and kiss them as I wished. I've chased ladies who ran around cars telling me "no" but in a playful manner. I've went all the way with women who were actively telling me, "No, I just met you; it's too early." A lady was at my house drinking when I advanced on her and she said, "No, take me home." I went all the way with her that night anyway and she became one of the most clingy girlfriends I ever had. My dating life ended with my wife, who was a feminist and said she would never have kids. I carried her up the stairs mid-meal to her saying, "No, I'm not ready yet, I'm really not ready," and took her there for the first time on our second date (I really liked her so I backed up a little on the first date to play it safe but she told me I could have gotten it if I pushed). In no situation ever did I go too far and allow it to become a problem. Written here, I'm like a serial offender. In real life, the dates only got more exciting because they saw me as a man who was exciting but not so aggressive as to be scary. If the police saw this and interviewed them, they would all profusely decline to press charges because they had a great time.

The law technically mandates that you get express consent ("Yes, I would like to have sex with you. Yes, please continue.") before and during sex because it assumes 0 level of competence in your ability to read what the woman is thinking. So to protect the courts from blame, it makes laws that are basically inapplicable to real dating. You don't have to follow it, at your discretion. You can take a chance, trust your instincts, and if they are right, you score. If not, you go to jail. I'm confident in my ability to read the situation and it has always paid off. You may cringe but you're not the important one; the ladies are.

You didn't read this part 4 posts about yours?

"I'm talking from a male perspective and as an answer to @vincent 's suggestion above that "it's fine, just marry foreign women," indicating that that's the solution to Chinese feminism. It is the absolute worst reaction to have and it adds fuel to the fire. As a man, I'm not going to blame women; that adds to the problem. I'm telling men to step forth, reach your arms out, take the first step to show her that you can be the man of her dreams. And when she sees it, she'll show you that she can be your perfect lady. That is the correct counter to any buds of a gender war, NOT to spurn the other side harder than they spurned you and just default to foreigners with a "bitch, I don't need you" attitude because yes we do need each other and our country needs us to love each other."
You are probably very physically attractive. If the woman is already attracted to you then this type of behaviour works. Otherwise it's going to land you in jail. Disseminating this kind of advice and pretending it applies to everyone equally when you are the exception rather than the norm is dangerous and misleading. That is, assuming everything you said was true. One can claim anything on an online forum after all.
 

manqiangrexue

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Values and traditions change, It's understandable to feel this way but unlike old times love and relationship between men and women doesn't result in many babies these days, DINK couples are the norm and they do have their valid reasons for it, Think of it this way current courting and child bearing process is similar to how hunter gather societies obtained food it's natures way of doing it and type of food obtained depended on your environment and luck, Artificial womb CRISPR babies would be similar to agrarian societies way of getting food sure the variety would be low and won't seem natural compared to hunting but you can decide the quality and quantity of your produce Besides men-women relationships wouldn't end people want companionship they sure do love sex infact it may actually compliment and fit well into current low birth rate societies, the biggest hurdle would be figuring out how to deal with the identity crisis of those children, That can't be solved with technology or money
No. Biology dictates man and woman come together to have a child and a family. Values and traditions change within the confines of that. Saying that anything goes, including a developing gender war, simply because values and traditions change is like watching a train run into a wall and doing nothing about it because things break, nothing stays good forever. It's stupid and which is the mildest way to describe using ultra-modern science to uproot basic biology just to cope for social awkwardness and ineptitude, which is what the real problem is. DINK (which is not even relevent to the gender war we're talking about), 4 no's, radical feminism/anti-feminism and other bullshit are trends. The biological bond between male and female is forever; it has been and will always be the key to stability and happiness. Anything else is just a poor attempt to compensate for fundamental failure.
You are probably very physically attractive. If the woman is already attracted to you then this type of behaviour works. Otherwise it's going to land you in jail. Disseminating this kind of advice and pretending it applies to everyone equally when you are the exception rather than the norm is dangerous and misleading. That is, assuming everything you said was true. One can claim anything on an online forum after all.
Thanks for the compliment but it's misplaced. I'm pretty average-looking but I work out hard and I have trained a confident personality. My wife told me that when she saw my dating profile pic, she thought, "He looks like a stupid teddy bear sitting there with that dumb grin; I'm gonna get a couple of nice dinners out of this one." She thinks I'm dopey looking, calls me Er4Shi1Xiong1, which is a reference to Pigsy from Journey to the West and jokes that she hopes our kids look good like her instead of funny like me.

I have very good-looking friends who flop when they don't bring enough character and substance to the game. So of course, don't take advice directly from me and try to force the situation because that will probably get you into trouble. There are many dates where I didn't build a connection so we ended it with a handshake goodbye; in those times, I would be asking to for trouble if I did one of these moves on her. Build your self-confidence and when it's there, when you have a high liklihood of success with these aggressive and risky maneuvers, you will feel that it is there for the taking. You will also feel when it's not. There will be no doubt and it actually won't feel like taking a risk at all.
 
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56860

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Thanks for the compliment but it's misplaced. I'm pretty average-looking but I work out hard and I have trained a confident personality. My wife told me that when she saw my dating profile pic, she thought, "He looks like a stupid teddy bear sitting there with that dumb grin; I'm gonna get a couple of nice dinners out of this one." I have very good-looking friends who flop when they don't bring enough character and substance to the game. So of course, don't take advice directly from me and try to force the situation because that will probably get you into trouble. But build your self-confidence and when it's there, when you have a high liklihood of success with these aggressive and risky maneuvers, you will feel that it is there for the taking. There will be no doubt and it actually won't feel like taking a risk at all.
Now I know you're just shitting me

These 'aggressive manoeuvres' do not work unless the opposite party is physically attracted to you. Conversely, as long as there is physical attraction, it really doesn't matter what you say or do - as long as you act like a normal person, you will be successful regardless.

Advocating for such aggressive sexual behaviour is actually a fantastic way to destroy self-confidence for the majority of average looking men.
 
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manqiangrexue

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No I know you're just shitting me

These 'aggressive manoeuvres' do not work unless the opposite party is physically attracted to you. Conversely, as long as there is physical attraction, it really doesn't matter what you say or do - as long as you act like a normal person, you will be successful regardless.

Advocating for such aggressive sexual behaviour is actually a fantastic way to destroy self-confidence for the majority of average looking men.
Yeah there needs to be attraction, but you can build that attraction with your personality! I'm not ugly and my career's not holding me down but I rely on my personality when dating, not my resume. You can be very good looking but if you're awkward, fail to build chemistry and you go for power finish anyway, initial physical attraction won't save you from her natural reaction to exit from a creepy situation. Like I said, act playfully confident and make jokes and see that she's giggling. Looking like a movie star isn't the only way to build attaction; you can surely understand that, right??

I honestly just posted to say that confident, charming, and non-oppressive Chinese masculinity is the cure to Chinese female hyper-feminism but I never intended this to evolve into a pick-up artist class. This is totally off topic and I didn't want that.
 

pmc

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You just stated a bunch of random facts that don't support your argument.
Its not random. you mentioned that People attracted to West for easy 9 to 5 work that is low to mid skill level in coding but i counter it that Mexican not taking those jobs. so those countries must be worse than Mexico. Look at Mexico IT Salaries that are keeping Mexican outside US. Those are not much less than even higher end of rest of the world.
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You're the first person who has ever characterized Mexico as a wealthy nation. What numbers drew you to that conclusion?
Mexico is wealthy nation. it manufacturing wages has risen to $7 per hour in Manufacturing for export from Mexico.
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The people there don't have a reason to come. Quality of life is high at home.

Deals depend on what the county offered him. If Japan didn't welcome him in order to protect its domestic industry but Germany did, then that's how it happened. Whatever the reason, it's not because Japan lacks "soft power" because that would be as stupid a conclusion as saying Mexico is a wealthy nation.
how you know Japan did not welcome him? Japan has history of French and American auto brands buying stakes in its firms. It has enough brand power to assemble vehicles globally and its high priced BOF vehicles are second to none.
Lack of Japan soft Power played a role in it. Musk travel around Mideast and Europe to know enough about German soft power among the elites. You refuse to admit that Elon was influenced by lack of Japan soft power for dissing Japan for Manufacturing when new FABs are created in Japan with Taiwan and US. Any country that building FABs can easily make EVs. especially when Japan is ideal location for import of raw materials and components from Asia, Australia and North America.
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There's data in there but the quality of life, quality of education, oppertunity to make money, are not easily quantifiable. That's not an excuse for you to say that they don't exist and it's "soft power." If you even lived in the real world instead of being hobbled up in your own obscure theoretics in front of a computer screen, you would know that those articles are spot on when it comes to why people come to the US. Every person I know who decided to stay in the US has done so within the reasons outlined in those 2 articles.
It is quantifiable in ball park. You just need to look at right places. all your links are generalization with no substance. what means by quality of education?. Are those international students who succeed in West not comes from good preparations?
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And that is completely irrelevent. Many countries, even poor countries, have airlines. They are not cheap. But these countries don't come close to the US in average quality of life.
They are not Ethiopian airline. Look at its flight aircraft mix. Only a developed country or very large GDP can afford it. some thing along the lines of Vietnam.

Yeah, Qatar has oil and money. Everything you have written shows that you don't even live in the real world. Nobody has ever said that the quality of life in Ethiopia/Camaroon is on par with America because there no advanced nation is wealthy. Nobody. It's like arguing that homeless people are the richest because they eat for free in homeless shelters so their wealth is unlimited. You're that stupid.
I have clearly provide data that there is plenty of wealth outside US. US families hardly can afford collage tuition outside state without some aid while 90% of International students are from Global South. This is hard data you cannot deny that.
It's called business. Qatar Airways is a business; businesses all over the world don't have hard power. I'm talking about national power, in which case hard power is all. To businesses, they can only have soft power which is the only way businesses have to attract sales. And the result is that it is no power at all because anytime you cross interests with a country with greater hard power, they can ban you and every bit of your soft power is gone instantly. It's useless, but it's all that businesses have. Countries are not the same. Countries kill people for resources and dominance.
If Qatar Airways was business it will close down. certain things are about Geographic limitation and culture that can only be sustain in non business manner. Most Arabs banned Qatar Airline from airspace for several years. Not even US largest airbase can help it. thats why Hard Power has zero value in most situation. its only its Soft Power that saved its ranking. Even if its not related to airline but dress like its airline. this is the understanding of Soft Power to relate everything to Qatar Airways.
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Ok there is so much retardation in that sentence that it needs to be cut into pieces to answer. Germany didn't raise it's importance. It's less important now as an economic power because its economy and industry are in decline. Germany didn't force any US arms onto Europe; Ukraine asked for them when Russia invaded. Germany didn't have a say in it. US weapons don't give Germans any leverage in shaping US policies because those 2 have nothing to do with each other; rather, it's the US forcing Germany to give more and more despite its economy already in shambles. Lastly, Germans have no interest uniting Europe under US leadership; they want to be the leaders. America is taking that hope away from them. So, in summary, you wrote a run-on sentence and literally every single part of it was wrong. You're watching a battered and bruised Germany getting bled out by an American vampire and you're characterizing the interaction as the victim controlling his torturer, forcing him to keep beating him up and taking his blood/energy.
I dont see anything that Germany want to be leader. it is a consensus builder in Europe. Wealthy Germany is in US and Israel interest. You cannot blame US for imposing Euro 7 standards on Germany or set its demographic and migration policies.
when it comes to Germany always think outside Europe in addition to Europe.

LOLOLOL Germany gutted it's own industry because Asians will be giving it free shit due to its "soft power"??? Germany pays for everything it buys from Asia. Where does the money come from? You're characterizing one-sided trade as a benefit for Germany when actually one-sided trade running up deficits and debt is what every country aims to avoid.
It is called Euro. Germany soft power enough to continue trade with Asia.
After Merkel's departure, yes. They cannot do anything but sacrifice themselves for Americans these days.

Of course, we don't have one day today data. This is America's traditional strength.

It has to increasingly compete with Chinese hard power and money siphoning talent away from the US. I don't see Canada, Europe or the Mideast taking talent away from the US; actually a lot of European talent moved to the US because the financial hardships made high tech industry difficult in Europe. Only hard power, money, qualify of life, can attract meaningful immigration. Soft power only brings in some weird anime freaks to Japan, etc... it is useless.
did you saw the software wages in the links i posted above?.Canada is ordering more wide body planes. simliar things happening with US airlines now considering Airbus wide body. Boeing wide body orders are full. All you need to look at airline purchases and additional pilot training facilities to see where people flow of the world moving. not some one of anecdotes of talented people.

That's just nonsense and unrelated. Did you just copy that out of some HR pamphlet? LOL Better work environments are created by company policy, which requires the hard power of business success in order to obtain resources and the hard power of competent management. Your last definition, though childish, was actually better. So, regretably, no. You haven't made any progress since last time on your understanding of "soft power."
When hard power is equal than Soft Power tilt the balance. It applies both to Business and War when you look at long term.
 

eprash

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No. Biology dictates man and woman come together to have a child and a family. Values and traditions change within the confines of that. Saying that anything goes, including a developing gender war, simply because values and traditions change is like watching a train run into a wall and doing nothing about it because things break, nothing stays good forever. It's stupid and which is the mildest way to describe using ultra-modern science to uproot basic biology just to cope for social awkwardness and ineptitude, which is what the real problem is. DINK (which is not even relevent to the gender war we're talking about), 4 no's, radical feminism/anti-feminism and other bullshit are trends. The biological bond between male and female is forever; it has been and will always be the key to stability and happiness. Anything else is just a poor attempt to compensate for fundamental failure.

Thanks for the compliment but it's misplaced. I'm pretty average-looking but I work out hard and I have trained a confident personality. My wife told me that when she saw my dating profile pic, she thought, "He looks like a stupid teddy bear sitting there with that dumb grin; I'm gonna get a couple of nice dinners out of this one." She thinks I'm dopey looking, calls me Er4Shi1Xiong1, which is a reference to Pigsy from Journey to the West and jokes that she hopes our kids look good like her instead of funny like me.

I have very good-looking friends who flop when they don't bring enough character and substance to the game. So of course, don't take advice directly from me and try to force the situation because that will probably get you into trouble. But build your self-confidence and when it's there, when you have a high liklihood of success with these aggressive and risky maneuvers, you will feel that it is there for the taking. There will be no doubt and it actually won't feel like taking a risk at all.
Biologically speaking long-term monogamous relationships aren't that natural either Chimpanzees infact prefer a free loving community and killing of rival male's babies are common among mammals, Only under 5 percent of Mammals prefer long-term monogamous relationships, Our concept of family began to avoid infanticide within the community as numbers needed for mammoth hunting and long term child rearing associated with large headed primates necessitated it.
 

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Many young women from SEA aspired to date those 'handsome' Korean men that they see on TV. They thought that all South Korean men are just so sexy. Then they realize how the average South Korean man truly looked and behave. Then they learned that those 'handsome' Korean men they saw on TV, they were not born with those looks. Welcome to reality, ladies.
Many of the actors were indeed born with these looks. The thing is that actors and models are like top 1% of the society in terms of looks and of course he is not going to date a random person. As for the media creating unrealistic perceptions - Western media not only has been doing the same for white men for decades but also actively degraded Asian men by casting fuglies in stereotypical roles, so I'm only positive on Korean shows\films reversing that. All East Asians indirectly benefit there by association since we have the same phenotype, plus K-wave also created an uptick in interest for media from other Asian countries, including China. I know many people who started with K-dramas but then also started watching C-dramas. That's why I rate K-media products way higher than Japanese media which has not done much for Asian representation as their main export is cartoons and most of them have pretty racially ambiguous characters or even straight up white (Attack on Titan, Fullmetal Alchemist, Vinland, etc.) ones.
 

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Meh.. China has already demonstrated its Artificial womb and Gene editing capabilities.
I wouldn't be so quick to put all eggs into that basket. Since there're so many unknowns, excessive gene editing or artificial birth could lead to disastrous results down the line. For example, I could see this leading to degradation of the gene pool diversity which would make these people easy targets for certain diseases or even biological warfare.
 

manqiangrexue

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Its not random. you mentioned that People attracted to West for easy 9 to 5 work that is low to mid skill level in coding but i counter it that Mexican not taking those jobs. so those countries must be worse than Mexico.
Yeah, Mexicans who pick fruit 18 hours a day didn't come to the US for an easy life; they came for a livable life. To them, 9-5 living is not possible; in Mexico, they probably can't even find a job.
Look at Mexico IT Salaries that are keeping Mexican outside US. Those are not much less than even higher end of rest of the world.
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OK, so if they are doing fine in Mexico and staying there, then that also agrees with what I said in that the standard of living is what determines where they go. Higher standard in Mexico, stay in Mexico. Higher in the US, go to the US. Soft power has nothing to do with it.
Mexico is wealthy nation. it manufacturing wages has risen to $7 per hour in Manufacturing for export from Mexico.
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Uh, no, your summary is incorrect. The minimum wage in Mexico is $4.90 and hour while those specifically hired for foreign companies can earn an average of $6.57 an hour. That means all those who can't find a job or can't find a job manufacturing for a foreign company have a huge interest in entering the US for higher wages. I didn't say every Mexican wants to enter the US, but those who have an easier life here, and a ton of them qualify for that, do.

"Potential rising labor rates in Mexico could come at a time when inflation is a major concern in the U.S. and world economies, even though the wage for an entry level worker in Mexico is $4.90 per hour, significantly below the $7.25 per hour minimum wage in the U.S. Workers in Mexico’s maquiladora industry typically earn more than minimum wage, the average entry level being $6.57 per hour."
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Currency values rise and fall. It has nothing to do with this discussion even if the author used "Mighty" to describe Mexican money.
how you know Japan did not welcome him? Japan has history of French and American auto brands buying stakes in its firms. It has enough brand power to assemble vehicles globally and its high priced BOF vehicles are second to none.
I stated those as the most common reasons people decide where to base a factory on and I said they are all speculative. They might have welcomed him too but maybe Germany offered him better terms. Common business reasons.
Lack of Japan soft Power played a role in it. Musk travel around Mideast and Europe to know enough about German soft power among the elites. You refuse to admit that Elon was influenced by lack of Japan soft power for dissing Japan for Manufacturing when new FABs are created in Japan with Taiwan and US.
You asked me how I know Japan didn't welcom him as if you knew what you were talking about. But actually, your reasoning is that if no one can prove exactly what was behind the decision, you get to say it's soft power. Sorry, debate logic doesn't work like that. You have never showed Japan to lack soft power or Germany to have it and have made no comparison. This is an invented story in your head that you want others to disprove, which is a logical fallacy.
Any country that building FABs can easily make EVs. especially when Japan is ideal location for import of raw materials and components from Asia, Australia and North America.
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This says Musk identified demographic weakness in Japan. It means he's not confident in Japan's future, which probably led him to not want to invest there. Hard power reason.
It is quantifiable in ball park. You just need to look at right places.
Funny coming from you posting all irrelevent links. Show me the right place with your ballpark quantities.
all your links are generalization with no substance.
Wayyy more substance than you trying to prove soft power by arguing that quality of life in Mexico/Camaroon/Ethiopia is on par with the US.
what means by quality of education?
Going to NYU instead of Enrique Low Multra Integrated Institute (Girón, Santander)
. Are those international students who succeed in West not comes from good preparations?
Possibly, if they study hard. What kind of stupid question is this?
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OK, so some people want to go to Dubai for the good pay too. So what?
They are not Ethiopian airline.
Ethiopian Airlines is not Ethiopian airline???
Look at its flight aircraft mix. Only a developed country or very large GDP can afford it. some thing along the lines of Vietnam.
Vietnam is a developed country with a very large GDP??? This is another definition failure of yours. Can't debate on this when you can't get the basic facts right.
I have clearly provide data that there is plenty of wealth outside US.
You didn't need to; you could have just said it. That's true and doesn't mean anything.
US families hardly can afford collage tuition outside state without some aid while 90% of International students are from Global South. This is hard data you cannot deny that.
Why would I deny that? It's a random fact that would completely fail if the intent were to prove that the US is poorer than the Global South on average.
If Qatar Airways was business it will close down.
It is and it didn't. That's how easy it is to prove you wrong.
certain things are about Geographic limitation and culture that can only be sustain in non business manner. Most Arabs banned Qatar Airline from airspace for several years. Not even US largest airbase can help it. thats why Hard Power has zero value in most situation.
Qatar doesn't have enough hard power. If they banned the US, which has massive hard power, they would be sanctioned into the ground and the US might even make up some reason to invade them. Hard power is the final answer to all problems. If you don't have it, you will need to resort to briding and begging like Qatar.
its only its Soft Power that saved its ranking. Even if its not related to airline but dress like its airline. this is the understanding of Soft Power to relate everything to Qatar Airways.
LOL What soft power? the soft power of a business paying people and investing in things? Running a good business? You don't have any idea what soft power is, which is why this debate is so stupid. If Qatar goes against the US, watch the US use hard power to kill this airline. Soft power is always useless in hard conflict.
I dont see anything that Germany want to be leader. it is a consensus builder in Europe. Wealthy Germany is in US and Israel interest. You cannot blame US for imposing Euro 7 standards on Germany or set its demographic and migration policies. when it comes to Germany always think outside Europe in addition to Europe.
I don't see anything that (sic) Germany wants to be poor and to have its industry crushed either but you made that shit up, didn't you?
It is called Euro. Germany soft power enough to continue trade with Asia.
It's called confusion over what is soft power, which you demonstrate with every post. Having money to buy things =/= soft power.
did you saw the software wages in the links i posted above?.Canada is ordering more wide body planes. simliar things happening with US airlines now considering Airbus wide body. Boeing wide body orders are full. All you need to look at airline purchases and additional pilot training facilities to see where people flow of the world moving.
Irrelevent. I never said the US is the only place people want to move and software wages are no average wages accross all sectors. People move where the money is. That's the hard power of economics and funding.
not some one of anecdotes of talented people.
English too poor, makes no sense
When hard power is equal than Soft Power tilt the balance.
Soft power and hard power can never be equal because 1. neither are quantifiable (though I'm sure you'll try) and 2. hard power always overcomes soft power. Whatever you build with soft power is 1 hard power ban away from 0.
It applies both to Business and War when you look at long term.
Makes no sense and you've always shown just the opposite.
 
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